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174. Nationwide, 12% of Sanders supporters in the primaries

Mon Dec 16, 2024, 03:25 PM

Dec 2024

voted for Trump in the general election.

216,000 Sanders primary voters in MI, PA, and WI voted for Trump in the general election.

This is about the 2020 election, but cites figures from 2016. The figures are in the text below the video.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-voters-helped-trump-win-white-house-could-they-do-n1145306

Sanders supporters for Jill Stein

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/02/jill-stein-sanders-supporters-green-party

Sanders endorsed Clinton. Not all of his supporters agreed with his endorsement. People are free to vote their choice. It looks to me, though, like divisions came from people who chose not to accept Sanders' endorsement of Clinton.

Healing and unity mean accepting the fact that some voters made a different choice. If they are with us now, good. If they choose to not vote with us, they remain divided from us

I was not on DU on 2016, so I did not see the posts that you mentioned. Seems foolish and counterproductive to me to reject votes.

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I believe we all owe Senator Bernie Sanders a public apology [View all] JMCKUSICK Dec 2024 OP

HELL YES! elleng Dec 2024 #1

I really think he would have beaten Trump the first time. yourout Dec 2024 #2

I've had similar thoughts Raven123 Dec 2024 #6

Or if Clinton had called upon him to be her VP. GreenWave Dec 2024 #7

Agree DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #139

The "socialism" attack ads would write themselves. SouthBayDem Dec 2024 #189

That was my wish at the time, What could have been Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #193

Why would you think that when he couldn't win a primary? Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #16

Exactly Meowmee Dec 2024 #30

They may not be solely his ideas but he was one of a very few elected legislators consistently promoting them 0rganism Dec 2024 #53

Actually John Conyers introduced the first bill in 2003... sheshe2 Dec 2024 #147

Yes, as I said, *one of a very few* (not "the only" -- your words, not mine) 0rganism Dec 2024 #209

Given the circumstances under which Conyers left Congress tritsofme Dec 2024 #211

Excellent point. Perhaps "selectively ethical" or "topically ethical" would better describe him. 0rganism Dec 2024 #215

I look to the great, late Congressman Henry Gonzalez of Texas LuvLoogie Dec 2024 #75

"He couldn't win a primary- he was not going to win a general election" Polybius Dec 2024 #80

I would say no I don't think he could have Meowmee Dec 2024 #93

I think Bloomberg could have also won in 2020 Polybius Dec 2024 #94

Yeah maybe. Prolly not though imo Meowmee Dec 2024 #99

Yeah, and he was poling great Polybius Dec 2024 #104

Right, I remember now Meowmee Dec 2024 #107

I live in NYC Polybius Dec 2024 #169

I am close by Meowmee Dec 2024 #190

I agree with Sanders' basic theme that the American economy wnylib Dec 2024 #124

A meme without substance quakerboy Dec 2024 #148

Nationwide, 12% of Sanders supporters in the primaries wnylib Dec 2024 #174

I knew some of those "pouty" supporters, and no, they were not Democrats. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #197

In 2016, he won 23 state primaries. snot Dec 2024 #65

Many of those were caucuses. LisaM Dec 2024 #90

Same in Minnesota. A caucus in the dead of winter question everything Dec 2024 #97

The DNC did not cheat Bernie. He lost fair and square. StevieM Dec 2024 #110

You can say he lost, according to the manner in which the Democratic party ran its primaries. lees1975 Dec 2024 #129

Why did he not join and build the party? delisen Dec 2024 #156

So you think the only way for liberals to win is to walk lockstep with the DNCC? intheflow Dec 2024 #165

I have not demonized anyone delisen Dec 2024 #173

It was more than possible for Bernie to win. He just didn't. StevieM Dec 2024 #186

Results of a quick search: snot Dec 2024 #195

The negative characterizations you are citing came from Donna Brazille. StevieM Dec 2024 #207

I do not recall the media ever being as negative about Hillary as you suggest. snot Dec 2024 #208

I believed at the time, that Bernie would have won in the 2016 election against the grifter. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #232

There are so many false statements in that post iemanja Dec 2024 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #145

Cool story Bro, "They cheated (this is not in dispute)" FSogol Dec 2024 #149

Self-Contradictory Post ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #172

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #178

Whoosh! ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #181

Respectfully, you missed the point, not the other poster. Old Crow Dec 2024 #187

I Missed Nothing ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #199

Thank you. Old Crow Dec 2024 #201

Despite the less than admirable behavior from the DNC, and yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #231

Different voter pool, different opponents. It is possible he could have persuaded more voters than Tim Kaine did. thesquanderer Dec 2024 #66

Kaine added nothing to the ticket. progressoid Dec 2024 #142

NH, CO, MN, OK, VT, KS, ME, MI, ID, UT, AK, HI, WA, WI, WY, RI, IN, WV, OR, MN, ND Nanjeanne Dec 2024 #86

Many of his supporters did vote for Trump in 2006. Similar message: how awful life was question everything Dec 2024 #39

Maybe Repubilcan Sanders' supporters voted for the orange anus... SnoopDog Dec 2024 #57

Bernie didn't say, or suggest that ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #92

Sanders was always angry. As was Warren. Biden's positive, uplifting message was encouraging question everything Dec 2024 #98

We're living in a time that warrants anger, and it didn't start just now. ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #117

Yep Bernie was polling much stronger against Teabag in 2015 & 16 IbogaProject Dec 2024 #47

i'm still meeting Republicans who like Bernie MadameButterfly Dec 2024 #100

Absolutely! HarryM Dec 2024 #116

The polling at the time AverageJoe Dec 2024 #179

Agreed. Old Crow Dec 2024 #182

I hoped he would... charliea Dec 2024 #218

I thought so too. Bernie focused on working people's real needs. hedda_foil Dec 2024 #228

um no Skittles Dec 2024 #3

The guy who picked Tulsi Gabbard to be his spokesperson? LisaM Dec 2024 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2024 #21

Same. LisaM Dec 2024 #24

I don't want to criticize him for fear that he'll switch to (D) again & put me in violation of the TOS. Orrex Dec 2024 #33

LOL Skittles Dec 2024 #35

+1. The guy who is used as a ridicule reference for Democrats. Nixie Dec 2024 #22

Sanders may have made many little hearts go pitty-pat stopdiggin Dec 2024 #25

Agree, he was a major player to losing in 2016 getagrip_already Dec 2024 #229

yes he was Skittles Dec 2024 #230

He's always stated the obvious 👍 underpants Dec 2024 #4

Bernie has generally been right all along Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #5

Bernie's amendment lead to the only audit of the fed we have ever had questionseverything Dec 2024 #222

THIS malaise Dec 2024 #8

I have always UpInArms Dec 2024 #9

I don't have to apologize. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #10

Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #11

Carter never fucked us, but St. Bern did. Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #15

When exactly? displacedvermoter Dec 2024 #32

Late in 2016 Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #42

Kinda sounds like what Fetterman said about displacedvermoter Dec 2024 #85

There's a Trumpist up the hill from me who's sooooo economically anxious. He's an orthopedic surgeon... Hekate Dec 2024 #105

I've got news for you . . . markpkessinger Dec 2024 #236

Wow... Y'all are still doing this? Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #237

I have never said or even implied, anywhere, that Bernie is infallible markpkessinger Jan 2025 #238

Nice attempt at setting up a straw man, though. n/t markpkessinger Jan 2025 #239

The "oligarch Democratic caucus"? Never heard that one before. Walleye Dec 2024 #28

Bernie has always been on the mark, Tesha Dec 2024 #12

Bernie was right. Henry203 Dec 2024 #13

I'm sorry, exactly what the hell was he ahead of the curve about? Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #14

thank you Skittles Dec 2024 #19

People are looking for a savior Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #29

Bernie is fine up to the point you realize he has a one-size-fits-all solution. Half the population... Hekate Dec 2024 #106

You got the quote about his giving that blessing displacedvermoter Dec 2024 #37

I'm specifically referring to the fanatics on Twitter living in swing states Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #46

Ah, yes, twitter. An excellent source of information. It was a dump even before muskrat bought it. Dave Bowman Dec 2024 #55

It may have been a dump pre-Elmer Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #63

Rec.. Mahalo! Cha Dec 2024 #49

lol thanks, I needed a good laugh tonight. Bernie hasn't done anything that would change my assessment of him. tritsofme Dec 2024 #17

The only reason "He hasn't" JMCKUSICK Dec 2024 #20

Exactly! Lunabell Dec 2024 #58

He could have changed his registration to a Democrat before seeking the nomination question everything Dec 2024 #82

He was the one who claimed liberal Democrats like FDR/LBJ were "democratic socialists" and not capitalists. betsuni Dec 2024 #83

I didn't say there were his ideas, JMCKUSICK Dec 2024 #87

Don't forget Elizabeth Warren, too... WarGamer Dec 2024 #23

liz, and bernie, are great at questioning the oligarchs at committee hearings rampartd Dec 2024 #61

The Persisterhoid lives! berniesandersmittens Dec 2024 #137

Yeah ... no. I have softened on him, but he still has never acknowledged the misogyny of his Bros and... Hekate Dec 2024 #26

I agree, I felt the misogyny from some of his supporters Walleye Dec 2024 #31

Always have huge respect for Bernie. Truly a man for the people. Noel Kums Dec 2024 #27

Bernie never got Medicare for all or any of that legislation actually passed Walleye Dec 2024 #34

You're making the classic mistake that so many Democrats make. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #45

He has been in the Senate a long time. They only have to stand for election every six years. Walleye Dec 2024 #50

What someone accomplishes in any legislature has little to nothing to do with running for the presidency. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #56

So we just campaign on ideas? Legislative accomplishments don't matter? I don't get it. Walleye Dec 2024 #60

Completely different level of political skill. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #62

So a person has to have both abilities to be good in our government Walleye Dec 2024 #64

Biden won in 2020 because we were in a national crisis, not bc of his time in the senate. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #67

After this last election, I don't think we can count on the median voter to come to any kind of rational conclusion Walleye Dec 2024 #73

That would be like having a 'concept of a plan'. sheshe2 Dec 2024 #158

Agree Walleye Dec 2024 #160

😉 sheshe2 Dec 2024 #163

If he wanted to be the Democratic candidate he should have changed his registration to DEMOCRAT question everything Dec 2024 #36

He is probably laughing at all the adulation on these pages. SunImp Dec 2024 #48

I've always respected Bernie. La Coliniere Dec 2024 #38

Not me. BWdem4life Dec 2024 #40

Except for President Carter... mcar Dec 2024 #41

As a Hillary and Biden primary supporter, I agree 100%. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #43

I've always been a Sanders fan! ananda Dec 2024 #44

Ha! That's too Bad.. there will NOT be Cha Dec 2024 #51

I'm with you on that Cha. 👍 oasis Dec 2024 #72

lol... had to.. Cha Dec 2024 #91

I am with you Cha LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2024 #120

For all the rancor, he has been a great team player usonian Dec 2024 #52

Yep! Lunabell Dec 2024 #54

I don't owe him an apology - I did as much as I could for him financially when he ran TBF Dec 2024 #59

I see some of the usual suspects are still bashing Bernie ItsjustMe Dec 2024 #68

Given that he has refused to join the Democratic Party.... LauraInLA Dec 2024 #151

NO.. you're Wrong. That's Not "Why he's NOT Cha Dec 2024 #161

+ 1000 sheshe2 Dec 2024 #180

See What I Mean.. Primo Example.. Mahalo, she!💙 Cha Dec 2024 #184

Absolutely. There are many searching for (and inventing) "reasons" while overlooking the obvious. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #221

Exactly.. Mahalo, Oopsie Daisy.. Cha Dec 2024 #223

Suspects? You pin Duers as suspects? LizBeth Dec 2024 #164

I first met Bernie H2O Man Dec 2024 #69

I admired him as mayor of Burlington when I was at UVM. Easterncedar Dec 2024 #122

Look at his mayor agenda and you will see a right leaning Dem or a left leaning Rep. LizBeth Dec 2024 #166

No. ismnotwasm Dec 2024 #70

For What? for those speculating that they believe he would have won against trump in 2016, seem to forget that JohnSJ Dec 2024 #71

Mahalo for this, John... It's exactly True. We were Cha Dec 2024 #96

Change this party or we will not win elections. Lunabell Dec 2024 #74

That is one take, but perhaps those that voted for the sociopath agree with the JohnSJ Dec 2024 #79

You can believe what you want. Lunabell Dec 2024 #84

The party has been moving away from neoliberalism. Biden is the most progressive and pro-union president in decades. TRHST82 Dec 2024 #141

I am not going to disagree about President Biden. Lunabell Dec 2024 #206

What if the reason VP Harris didn't win was not because there need to be changes in the Party. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #233

You don't think we'd have been better off if he'd endorsed Hillary as soon as she won the primaries pnwmom Dec 2024 #76

I agree that his behavior was problematic. But let's not underestimate how much damage James Comey did. StevieM Dec 2024 #111

We'll never know. But Bernie was the single PROGRESSIVE who could have made a difference if he'd done the right thing.nt pnwmom Dec 2024 #171

Hillary didn"t lose because Bernie waited too long to endorse her . . . markpkessinger Dec 2024 #216

In an election decided by so few votes, his enthusiastic campaigning for her -- as he did for Biden -- pnwmom Dec 2024 #217

Sorry, but this is slander . . . markpkessinger Dec 2024 #224

You don't know what "slander" means. pnwmom Dec 2024 #225

The 3 trump voters I knew masmdu Dec 2024 #77

Yeah, because Sanders was just a placeholder for the anti-Hillary vote. W_HAMILTON Dec 2024 #81

Yes, he lost about 30% of former support in 2020 (had been anti-Hillary vote, not pro-Sanders). betsuni Dec 2024 #88

Except that is not what they said. masmdu Dec 2024 #210

Yeah, because that's what they always say. W_HAMILTON Dec 2024 #214

Hardly relayerbob Dec 2024 #78

Ah, no. I have a memory of not too distant history. He may owe us all one. boston bean Dec 2024 #89

I've got a lot of love for him, he's been fighting the Bluethroughu Dec 2024 #95

I do not owe Bernie anything. He lost in the primary. 33taw Dec 2024 #101

Hell no awesomerwb1 Dec 2024 #102

No I don't owe Bernie anything Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #103

No Botany Dec 2024 #108

LOL 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #109

I blame most of the Bernie hatred on antisemitism. nt RandiFan1290 Dec 2024 #112

O RLY? Any actual evidence of that? NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2024 #126

Great question! I'm equally curious. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #202

Sanders was used by grifters to hurt democrats JI7 Dec 2024 #113

YES !!! beemerphill Dec 2024 #114

Umm because he is not a Democrat? Did not have the integrity to switch registration the way he has been doing question everything Dec 2024 #192

I'm afraid I can't forgive Bernie for his latest trashing of Democrats. Right after the election he came out railing Vinca Dec 2024 #115

Exactly. LauraInLA Dec 2024 #153

What exactly are we apologizing for? n/t Shrek Dec 2024 #118

Criticizing him for supporting RFK Jr? iemanja Dec 2024 #119

He called out RFK as having crazy ideas and is very dangerous. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #123

He also supports his views on the food industry iemanja Dec 2024 #127

The food industry does contribute to obesity. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #130

So you support RFK jr for HHS too? iemanja Dec 2024 #134

Hell the fuck no Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #136

Reading this thread, it appears the Democrats have an excellent chance of continuing to lose. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #121

Why on earth iemanja Dec 2024 #128

Seems like many want to keep doing the same thing. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #133

Then there is the fact iemanja Dec 2024 #135

We lost more than the presidential election. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #138

I think there are huge differences between AOC and Sanders. She's a better politician, firstly. If she can LauraInLA Dec 2024 #155

I don't care if he call himself a democrat. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #159

His Style? iemanja Dec 2024 #212

Nope. He helped create this mess AFAIC. NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2024 #125

That is the truth. MrsCoffee Dec 2024 #140

You and I think a lot alike. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #204

Can you share some specifics? Ursus Rex Dec 2024 #132

Oh, for fuck's sake. Go on ahead if you feel you need to. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #143

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He has gotten really pissy about the Hunter pardon. Klarkashton Dec 2024 #146

... LexVegas Dec 2024 #150

No RandySF Dec 2024 #152

Yeah no. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #154

But he wagged his finger. jalan48 Dec 2024 #157

In womens face, when they spoke while he told them to sit down and shut up, dont use woman card. LizBeth Dec 2024 #168

He told Hillary to sit down and shut up? I missed that one. jalan48 Dec 2024 #177

He owes women an apology. 2016, never forget, never forgive.... LizBeth Dec 2024 #162

Hell NO! TrunKated Dec 2024 #167

You can be in charge of all of that. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #170

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Bernie Sanders and Jimmy Carter! mdmc Dec 2024 #183

He's the reason I stepped up and declared as a Democrat. Baitball Blogger Dec 2024 #185

I can't relate to him JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #188

An apology? sheshe2 Dec 2024 #191

That may be but he still help defeat HRC. I can never forget that and Trump's election is constant reminder. nt Jit423 Dec 2024 #194

Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016, 2020, and 2024. Oneironaut Dec 2024 #196

Yeah, no. He didn't even come close to winning a primary. Shitty advisors, poor campaigns that never emulatorloo Dec 2024 #200

😂🤪🙄🤣😅 Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #205

Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #198

Bernie Sanders owes me an apology for hiring lying lunatics like David Sirota, Paul Manafort, and Brie-Brie. emulatorloo Dec 2024 #203

Trying to rile up all the rabid "Bernie haters"?? It WORKED... Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #213

"Rabid Bernie Haters"??? --- Please. Spare me. I don't see anyone here who matches that description. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #220

No gemini_liberal Dec 2024 #219

jeebus... stillcool Dec 2024 #226

yes we do LiberaBlueDem Dec 2024 #227

No mr715 Dec 2024 #234

I happily voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary where he won with 72%. Ping Tung Dec 2024 #235