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Martin Eden

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94. We needed it in 2024

Thu Dec 19, 2024, 06:18 AM

Dec 2024

I love Joe Biden, but if any Democrat is to blame for last month's election loss, sadly, it is he.

I was not a fan of Kamala Harris in the 2020 primary, but I grew to admire her when she succeeded Joe as our nominee in 2024. Considering the circumstances, I think she ran a wonderful campaign (with some significant mistakes) and would have been a good president.

But she was not elected to be our nominee, and was not popular among independents. The biggest reason we lost was probably the propaganda constantly fed to low information voters. That, and the debacle following Joe's debate performance, may have been too much to overcome. For several reasons, Kamala did not inspire souls to the polls like Barack did in 2008.

So much was at stake, and now we'll have to endure a fascist kakistocracy. Joe Biden saved our democracy in 2020, but he should NOT have run in 2024.

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Democrats don't blame Harris. In fact, many want her back in 2028. [View all] JoeOtterbein Dec 2024 OP

Bad idea. cloudbase Dec 2024 #1

Agreed Greg_In_SF Dec 2024 #3

Such a good argument. Jakes Progress Dec 2024 #33

Running Harris again epitomizes the oft-cited definition of insanity. cloudbase Dec 2024 #61

Just what competent republican candidate (oxymoron) do you think has a chance of being nominated Jakes Progress Dec 2024 #89

Given the unique circumstances of this race, cloudbase Dec 2024 #93

All true except Jakes Progress Dec 2024 #111

California Democrats do not play well nationally DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #138

This is very true rollin74 Dec 2024 #150

We get it. You don't like California. But you still didn't address the question. Jakes Progress Dec 2024 #151

Agree...sadly this country has too many racist sexist bigots that would vote no for a woman POTUS PortTack Dec 2024 #46

Yes, WIN get the red out Dec 2024 #104

Same here! We would all benefit greatly with a FE POTUS. I hate that these are the facts. But we've mgmt to win in '28 PortTack Dec 2024 #130

Surely there must be another 70-80 something we can run instead. Cobalt Violet Dec 2024 #2

There are plenty of young people we can run. People that haven't lost 2 runs for President. Autumn Dec 2024 #81

If I recall correctly, Biden lost twice before he won ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #115

Biden ran for president four times. I knew he would beat trump in 2020 and had his Autumn Dec 2024 #117

Okay, so he had already struck out three times before he went up to bat and finally won ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #118

And Biden won when it counted. End of story. Autumn Dec 2024 #122

Principles are sorely lacking these days. ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #123

They sure are. Another thing that is lacking these days is some people's inability to hear Autumn Dec 2024 #124

As if there will be elections. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #4

Good. She ran a great campaign. mcar Dec 2024 #5

Harris missed on one item at140 Dec 2024 #77

The campaign knew that question was coming and still weren't prepared for it MichMan Dec 2024 #83

The only answer that would have helped is if she said she opposed the Transgender rights JI7 Dec 2024 #92

It wasn't Biden's views that were used against her, it was her own statements from 2020 MichMan Dec 2024 #101

And putting filthy neocons like Liz Cheney front and center ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #116

I think you are right on at140 Dec 2024 #152

That was a major reason for losing Polybius Dec 2024 #127

That's a hard pass for me. tritsofme Dec 2024 #6

I think it has been proven lynintenn Dec 2024 #7

Unfortunately, I think you are sadly right. I loved both candidates that we put out into the field, and still... SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #35

Charisma. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #8

Sure, if she wins the primary. In It to Win It Dec 2024 #9

I think this is the realistic view. Kamala did the best she could in terrible circumstances but see what 2028 looks... dutch777 Dec 2024 #102

Yes. I didn't like her debates in 2019. They were cringy. She would roll her eyes stuff like that. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #134

She already lost to the worst Republican ever Shrek Dec 2024 #10

He's the worst in our eyes. maxsolomon Dec 2024 #121

Anybody blaming Harris for losing a race Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #11

I don't blame her democrattotheend Dec 2024 #146

Voters have proven they're shallow and easily deceived Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #149

No, no, no. Are they insane? pinkstarburst Dec 2024 #12

depends on how she spends the next 4 yrs. mopinko Dec 2024 #13

Gov of Cali - Newsom for prez lame54 Dec 2024 #14

Nope for me FoggyLake Dec 2024 #15

The real blame should be the Talabangelical married straight white males. Crowman2009 Dec 2024 #16

That orange shit bag ran a campaign that pleased his electorate. Harris didn't. Autumn Dec 2024 #82

They couldn't BigMin28 Dec 2024 #103

Sorry, no we don't. Center Left Dec 2024 #17

When President Michelle Obama... Escape Dec 2024 #18

Michelle Obama would rather eat glass than work in politics. n/t intheflow Dec 2024 #38

I don't know why people keep bringing up Michelle Obama, who has said over and over Ocelot II Dec 2024 #126

No Meowmee Dec 2024 #19

How does a move to the center bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #23

If he can win, great Meowmee Dec 2024 #29

How's a move to the left ReRe Dec 2024 #68

Flat no Sympthsical Dec 2024 #20

I doubt focus groups will provide a boost to this idea bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #21

Pelosi/Connolly 28, amirite?! dchill Dec 2024 #22

we need new blood PedroXimenez Dec 2024 #78

Lolol Celerity Dec 2024 #132

Connolly's too young. Steny Hoyer can be her VP. He will turn a 'young' 90 a few months after being sworn in. Celerity Dec 2024 #131

How many times does Adlai Stevenson have to lose? Tarzanrock Dec 2024 #24

Who exactly is the Uber-left? displacedvermoter Dec 2024 #32

Ask yourself this ... Tarzanrock Dec 2024 #58

You consider Harris Uber-left? You.must have a pretty narrow displacedvermoter Dec 2024 #67

Same with Hillary Clinton. How can people say we can't win with someone "uber left"... thesquanderer Dec 2024 #99

"uber-left" might be referring to Tony West and David Plouffe PedroXimenez Dec 2024 #63

Sounds about right displacedvermoter Dec 2024 #66

"The problem with the left in this country" ? ReRe Dec 2024 #73

Cool that your daughter wrote it mainer Dec 2024 #25

Yep! I'am.... JoeOtterbein Dec 2024 #28

Kamala would make a great president, but this country doesn't want that. patphil Dec 2024 #26

Works for me jeaps Dec 2024 #27

Something tells me the article is click bait. nycbos Dec 2024 #30

Unelectable unfortunately. No woman candidate will succeed in 2028 Arazi Dec 2024 #31

I think a different woman could democrattotheend Dec 2024 #147

Oy vey Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #34

Too soon for me. I am just trying to survive bronxiteforever Dec 2024 #36

Well, fuck, why not just run HRC again? intheflow Dec 2024 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #39

2028 will be about the future Renew Deal Dec 2024 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #50

lol Renew Deal Dec 2024 #55

Sure, I'll also always vote for our candidate. intheflow Dec 2024 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #48

Before the fake email controversy, she was plenty popular. StevieM Dec 2024 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #54

But she was also among the most hated. intheflow Dec 2024 #98

My point is that when she was Secretary of State, she had sky high approval/favorability numbers. StevieM Dec 2024 #125

She had sky-high approval ratings from Dems. intheflow Dec 2024 #136

According to this article, and the graph showing her poll numbers, she was sky high in 2010. StevieM Dec 2024 #143

Independents are not a broken out in the graph. intheflow Dec 2024 #145

Yes, crazy to think that someone who lost an election could run again and win! Oh wait... W_HAMILTON Dec 2024 #84

I see what you did there... cadoman Dec 2024 #100

I'm hoping she is my next Governor obamanut2012 Dec 2024 #40

I don't blame her, but we need a vigorous primary Renew Deal Dec 2024 #41

She can't out-liberal a crowded field. Iggo Dec 2024 #90

We need a healthy and robust Primary campaign in 28... WarGamer Dec 2024 #42

We needed it in 2024 Martin Eden Dec 2024 #94

The US is too misogynistic Bettie Dec 2024 #44

Hope she runs... Mike Nelson Dec 2024 #47

Way too soon. Raven123 Dec 2024 #51

Harris rso Dec 2024 #52

Because Joe didn't get out until that terrible moment in the first debate with Trump, Harris ran with little to no time CTyankee Dec 2024 #53

I really like her. She is a breath of fresh air and aligned with my values. Make it so. As VP/ CA AG she has the cred Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #56

Dems should choose a young, peace-oriented candidate for 2028. C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #57

Bad Idea Falcon101 Dec 2024 #59

While, to me, she's officially now my best President we never had gemini_liberal Dec 2024 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 2024 #62

Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm. By 2032 she will be almost 70, so just leaving her 'young & inexperienced' years, Celerity Dec 2024 #141

Let her enter the primaries, heckles65 Dec 2024 #64

no point in blaming her PedroXimenez Dec 2024 #65

I really like Harris but tishaLA Dec 2024 #69

I do! I want Kamala as our candidate. And she should start holding rallies this coming February Greybnk48 Dec 2024 #70

It was a mistake thinking a black women doc03 Dec 2024 #71

Please define "many". ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #72

NO thanks. 👎 nt Raine Dec 2024 #74

Gretchen Whitmer is a rock star liberalmediaaddict Dec 2024 #75

I don't. LisaL Dec 2024 #76

Harris did a great job Wild blueberry Dec 2024 #79

She lost a primary and as a sitting VP she lost a presidential race during a great economy. Autumn Dec 2024 #80

The economy was very good in '68 when VP Humphrey lost Kaleva Dec 2024 #95

Nothing is like it was in 1968. Not politics, not the media, the economy, not America, not the people. Autumn Dec 2024 #109

So what do you base your opinion on then? Kaleva Dec 2024 #112

I'm not talking about Gore, not talking about Humphry. I was talking about Harris. Autumn Dec 2024 #113

My opinion, she lost because of Biden's very high negatives Kaleva Dec 2024 #120

She has learned from her mistakes: let's do it townie Dec 2024 #85

I'm begging top party officials TheFarseer Dec 2024 #86

I don't blame her, but I don't want her back either. krawhitham Dec 2024 #87

Trump led Biden in the polls for at least a year before Joe dropped out andym Dec 2024 #88

Democratic Party officials are just being diplomatic - they don't feel it's necessary to denounce something Midwestern Democrat Dec 2024 #91

She wouldn't have Biden's high negatives to counter in a '28 run Kaleva Dec 2024 #96

We had arguably two of the most qualified women running in 2016/2024. Sadly, the country isn't ready. Noel Kums Dec 2024 #97

She has a calming sane spirit Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #105

Hard pass flamingdem Dec 2024 #106

I would also love to see Newsom Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #107

Really? BBbats Dec 2024 #108

No. alarimer Dec 2024 #110

Harris ran a good campaign and thrashed the con man at the debate Mysterian Dec 2024 #114

Maybe Hillary can be her running mate bif Dec 2024 #119

She was an awesome candidate....I'd support her in 2028. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2024 #128

She would have my support again if she chooses to run again. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #139

Hell no Polybius Dec 2024 #129

Sorry. I don't like Gavin. He comes across as cocky LeftInTX Dec 2024 #135

I respect that opinion Polybius Dec 2024 #140

If people are nostalgic for the Biden years by 2028 then sure Rstrstx Dec 2024 #133

Can't we get someone who supports single payer? redqueen Dec 2024 #137

I keep hearing that she lost because of racism and sexism. Why would things be any different four years from now? jalan48 Dec 2024 #142

I think she lost because of Biden's very high negatives. Kaleva Dec 2024 #153

Yes, I have a feeling the racism and misogyny will disappear if she decides to run again. jalan48 Dec 2024 #155

She inspired millions in a brief amount of time Politicub Dec 2024 #144

No we don't bif Dec 2024 #148

She was a hit with the base, IMHO Kaleva Dec 2024 #154