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NYC_SKP

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49. I don't hang out with a gun crowd, it's just that I take a long view.

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:37 PM

Dec 2012

Raised on a farm, I have some of grandpa's guns and just one 22 pistol that I bought for myself long ago.

I just don't trust the police state to let them be the only ones with arms. It's that simple.

I would try to make more universal the patchwork of laws we have, and I would instill strict no-tolerance laws on gun related crimes and criminals and make it hard as hell to get a weapon.

But it's so much bigger. We need to care for our mentally ill, we need to care for us all.

We need to restore hope to the working class and promote pride and civility, and elevate our schools and students, and demonize greed, etc., etc.

We are sick, and we need a holistic approach in order to ever reduce the stress and violence we see.

Like I said, this violence is a symptom.

Let's get to the heart of the disease!

I know you agree on that much of it!

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No amount of legislation is going to cure our sick society. For fuck sake. (edited) [View all] NYC_SKP Dec 2012 OP

There are plenty of societies with far fewer guns than us and no death camps Fumesucker Dec 2012 #1

More guns, fewer guns, it's a distraction. Our society is very sick. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #34

Indeed our society if very sick...disparity between the top 1% and the rest KoKo Dec 2012 #53

I will never give up Glitterati Dec 2012 #2

Yes, we have to keep guns out of the HappyMe Dec 2012 #12

Precisely! Thank you! NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #22

No we don't. Glitterati Dec 2012 #24

Yes. Plus we already know that sociopaths murder people anneboleyn Dec 2012 #38

completely circular. you may as well say "we already know people who murder people murder people" HiPointDem Dec 2012 #61

that's easy to say, but it *will* happen again regardless. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #60

Today was my turning point as well. I will dedicate my life to ending the gun-fetish Care Acutely Dec 2012 #41

Completely, absolutely, 100% fucking wrong. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #3

Amen. OP claims that an abundance of laws="death camps?" anneboleyn Dec 2012 #25

You mean the right to slaughter as many people as possible with an assault weapon Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #4

You are right about that. HappyMe Dec 2012 #5

Screw WHY Glitterati Dec 2012 #27

So background checks= death camps? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #6

Horseshit. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #7

Shit, I could not say that better. Bonobo Dec 2012 #14

now "death camps" is a "throwaway line." rather offensive anneboleyn Dec 2012 #46

Don't be ridiculous. Fastening on the extremes of distress? Please. aquart Dec 2012 #8

+1 nt rDigital Dec 2012 #9

Look you found someone to agree with "gun control enabled the holocaust." Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #15

We can solve problems with legislation: death camp talk is throwing up our hands and giving up alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #10

"Sure, some well crafted legislation can help" ellisonz Dec 2012 #11

The sick in the society are those who claim we can do nothing over the bodies of twenty murdered Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #13

"death camp talk"? backscatter712 Dec 2012 #16

How about an actual rebuttal? NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #17

And help you stir the shit? backscatter712 Dec 2012 #20

The US government Justin_Beach Dec 2012 #18

"a civilian army, even one armed with automatic assault weapons, simply would not have a chance." oldhippie Dec 2012 #26

Again, if the US used it's full weight Justin_Beach Dec 2012 #35

actually, if the world looked the other way, there probably wouldn't have been a 'revolution,' HiPointDem Dec 2012 #62

Unrec, Unrec, Unrec! Where is the damn Unrec button? Laurian Dec 2012 #19

The best I've got is Downvoting Roman. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #21

No, we can't legislate these incidents away. And the 2nd amendment is safe. But SOMETHING can be Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #23

I'm all for firming up the background checks, closing loopholes, enforcing the laws we have.... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #28

I just read a Washington Post article by Ezra Klein that says just the opposite. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #44

So you say something remarkably stupid and then snark when you're called on it? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #29

What part of "our society is sick" isn't clear? NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #31

You've been around DU long enough to know the reaction that line will get Fumesucker Dec 2012 #36

When we killed kids in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Africa...with our "War on Terror" KoKo Dec 2012 #55

I think you are sort of right. Whisp Dec 2012 #30

Thanks. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #33

The real "crazy talk" is the interpretation of the 2nd amendment by the gun enthusiasts. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #32

Oh you took out the death camp reference. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #37

Ahhh...I didn't know. You are a Libertarian. KoKo Dec 2012 #39

Edited to reply to you "Skip"...much as I respect you...wrong on this. KoKo Dec 2012 #40

Got it, thanks, see my reply below. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #43

Oh now really.... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #42

Okay...if I got you wrong..you say you support "Second Amendment"...so you wouldn't KoKo Dec 2012 #47

You would not give up your "automatic, repeating weapons" and go back to One Shot per Kill? KoKo Dec 2012 #48

I don't hang out with a gun crowd, it's just that I take a long view. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #49

Oh...I grew up in a hunting culture...but they didn't use Automatic Assault Weapons of KoKo Dec 2012 #52

People are quick to give up their freedom for safety, but they'll never be truly safe. DaniDubois Dec 2012 #45

No we can never be truly safe...but, when there's an imbalance in Soicial Structure KoKo Dec 2012 #50

+100. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #51

No body in the USA needs to have a FUCKING AR15- SKS- or high capacity magazines! rustydog Dec 2012 #54

Agree...but, somehow this message doesn't get through to those who KoKo Dec 2012 #58

Death camps was a throwaway line? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #56

Maybe we should take George Carlin's idea and convert states into prison farms. Initech Dec 2012 #57

We are well on the way. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #59

We regulate each and every day those things which are produce that harm people aandegoons Dec 2012 #63

So we should give up? quaker bill Dec 2012 #64