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25. Yes, I agree that we, as a nation, are not alone in the struggle with patriarchy and misogyny.

Thu Jan 2, 2025, 04:09 PM

Jan 2025

But we seem to be unable to get past it no matter what. There have been many European countries with female leaders as well as Israel. And they have a history of female leadership such as Elizabeth I and Victoria or the numerous national leaders of the 20th 21st centuries.

I just feel like we are so deeply stuck in our patriarchal/misogynistic rut that I don't know how we will ever get out of it. I find it very discouraging and frustrating. I know there are a lot of different influences on this issue. Because I was so strongly influenced by the 50s and 60s TV shows I have often wondered about their influence nationally and historically.

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I have a theory about our nation's misogyny which may be too simplistic, but keeps coming back up in my mind. [View all] Biophilic Jan 2025 OP

Think those programs were based on patriarchy. cachukis Jan 2025 #1

Yeah, TV is a mirror to society Johonny Jan 2025 #15

I always hated those shows NJCher Jan 2025 #2

Until recently. Tv/movie image of the hero was a white male. Demovictory9 Jan 2025 #3

Ya know..I've been having close to the same thoughts... MiHale Jan 2025 #4

I always Rebl2 Jan 2025 #40

There's no excuse for the misogyny. Aristus Jan 2025 #66

Maybe these also added to the effort... MomInTheCrowd Jan 2025 #5

Interesting point. Makes a lot of sense Biophilic Jan 2025 #9

Part of the 'get back to the kitchen' thing after WWII was about jobs. Returning soldiers needed civilian jobs Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #44

I think that's definitely a factor in both WWI and WWII. wnylib Jan 2025 #64

What are they getting now? EarthAbides Jan 2025 #6

They may not be watching those shows, but their parents and their parent's parents did. Biophilic Jan 2025 #10

The messages are ingrained in our cultures. TV amplified it Iris Jan 2025 #14

Yes, and how the heck do we change the narrative? Biophilic Jan 2025 #18

I don't either. Although, I try to remember MLK, Jr's assertion Iris Jan 2025 #20

i think it begins at home mokeyz Jan 2025 #27

I suspect that the majority are still following the stereotypes. Biophilic Jan 2025 #30

I wonder if those archetypes had something to do with Mike 03 Jan 2025 #7

That is interesting what you are saying about the returning GIs. Biophilic Jan 2025 #12

My dad was in WW2 and basically called a hero, but never talked about it. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2025 #39

Very little seeing John Wayne "spanking" some actress, I looked at father and said, he can't do that. LizBeth Jan 2025 #8

If you're thinking of McClintock, the movie... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #13

Some woman with red hair. OHaire? LizBeth Jan 2025 #17

Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #19

nope LizBeth Jan 2025 #21

I did some research. Two movies. The one I saw was not a western, seems Ireland. LizBeth Jan 2025 #23

grown ass women speak easy Jan 2025 #33

Well, there is your counter. LizBeth Jan 2025 #37

I thought I was the only person on Earth Diamond_Dog Jan 2025 #36

Thank you. Counter it seems, we are implying ok to spank a little girl... rolling eyes, lol LizBeth Jan 2025 #38

Well, under certain circumstances...... BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2025 #42

Wow to hear the reply from men is seeming a lot like FB replies. LizBeth Jan 2025 #51

What? You must have high anxiety. usonian Jan 2025 #70

Europeans had Queens in the past... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #11

Wow, how did I overlook that little piece of history. Biophilic Jan 2025 #16

I Don't See RobinA Jan 2025 #22

Yes, I agree that we, as a nation, are not alone in the struggle with patriarchy and misogyny. Biophilic Jan 2025 #25

Religion also plays a HUGE part in the assumed gender roles and it fosters misogyny. Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #47

Eh, a lot of Europe has misogyny ingrained in their culture like us. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #24

Pin a lot of ot on religion. Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #48

That was post Vietnam and like post WWII strong silent men was what appealled to Ameicans. jalan48 Jan 2025 #26

I have similar thoughts on 50's TV shows and firearms 303squadron Jan 2025 #28

Yup. Biophilic Jan 2025 #32

Mary Tyler Moore. Rhoda. One Day At A Time. Alice. Iggo Jan 2025 #29

Yes, the 70s, exactly. Biophilic Jan 2025 #34

probably. But not everyone was infected by it ecstatic Jan 2025 #31

I don't think half the country did keep an open mind. Biophilic Jan 2025 #35

Modern day we have RW media/radio/podcasters/Youtubers/etc. IronLionZion Jan 2025 #41

Yes, I agree, but I was thinking of an older influence. Biophilic Jan 2025 #45

Misogyny is so ingrained in people it is not even noticed. Srkdqltr Jan 2025 #43

And yet, culturally it is ingrained in each generation. Biophilic Jan 2025 #46

Misogyny is taught in most religions in the world. usonian Jan 2025 #49

Yeah, I get that and have lived it, but I was talking about TV shows from the 50s and 60s. Biophilic Jan 2025 #50

YES and where did THEY get the idea? usonian Jan 2025 #52

The root causes weren't what I was looking at. Biophilic Jan 2025 #53

I remember a lot usonian Jan 2025 #63

Wow, we remember so differently. That's interesting. Biophilic Jan 2025 #65

Look at old photos of the west. usonian Jan 2025 #69

Sitcoms with "working women" oldtime dfl_er Jan 2025 #54

I heard a podcast about "Gunsmoke" viva la Jan 2025 #55

I've heard that before. I wonder who was pushing what? Biophilic Jan 2025 #56

There was so much of it too-- viva la Jan 2025 #67

Damn, you make me laugh because, yes, exactly. Biophilic Jan 2025 #68

A lot of good things were happening for girls and women during that era - milestogo Jan 2025 #57

Actually, I was discussing the tv shows of the 50s and 60s. Biophilic Jan 2025 #58

If you watch a lot of movies from different eras within a short time span, snot Jan 2025 #59

Hmmm, interesting thoughts. Biophilic Jan 2025 #60

Yes, TV reflects and reinforces the mythologies of the culture. Straw Man Jan 2025 #61

We're all feminazis as dear old dead rush limbaugh called us IcyPeas Jan 2025 #62