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54. Sitcoms with "working women"

Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:13 PM

Jan 2025

I recently watched a clip of a Mary Tyler Moore show, which when I was a kid I thought she was pretty independent, but it turned out she was sitting around with Rhoda lamenting that they wished they were married.

In a lot of ways, the old I Love Lucy depicted a stronger woman than Mary, or some of those others.

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I have a theory about our nation's misogyny which may be too simplistic, but keeps coming back up in my mind. [View all] Biophilic Jan 2025 OP

Think those programs were based on patriarchy. cachukis Jan 2025 #1

Yeah, TV is a mirror to society Johonny Jan 2025 #15

I always hated those shows NJCher Jan 2025 #2

Until recently. Tv/movie image of the hero was a white male. Demovictory9 Jan 2025 #3

Ya know..I've been having close to the same thoughts... MiHale Jan 2025 #4

I always Rebl2 Jan 2025 #40

There's no excuse for the misogyny. Aristus Jan 2025 #66

Maybe these also added to the effort... MomInTheCrowd Jan 2025 #5

Interesting point. Makes a lot of sense Biophilic Jan 2025 #9

Part of the 'get back to the kitchen' thing after WWII was about jobs. Returning soldiers needed civilian jobs Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #44

I think that's definitely a factor in both WWI and WWII. wnylib Jan 2025 #64

What are they getting now? EarthAbides Jan 2025 #6

They may not be watching those shows, but their parents and their parent's parents did. Biophilic Jan 2025 #10

The messages are ingrained in our cultures. TV amplified it Iris Jan 2025 #14

Yes, and how the heck do we change the narrative? Biophilic Jan 2025 #18

I don't either. Although, I try to remember MLK, Jr's assertion Iris Jan 2025 #20

i think it begins at home mokeyz Jan 2025 #27

I suspect that the majority are still following the stereotypes. Biophilic Jan 2025 #30

I wonder if those archetypes had something to do with Mike 03 Jan 2025 #7

That is interesting what you are saying about the returning GIs. Biophilic Jan 2025 #12

My dad was in WW2 and basically called a hero, but never talked about it. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2025 #39

Very little seeing John Wayne "spanking" some actress, I looked at father and said, he can't do that. LizBeth Jan 2025 #8

If you're thinking of McClintock, the movie... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #13

Some woman with red hair. OHaire? LizBeth Jan 2025 #17

Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #19

nope LizBeth Jan 2025 #21

I did some research. Two movies. The one I saw was not a western, seems Ireland. LizBeth Jan 2025 #23

grown ass women speak easy Jan 2025 #33

Well, there is your counter. LizBeth Jan 2025 #37

I thought I was the only person on Earth Diamond_Dog Jan 2025 #36

Thank you. Counter it seems, we are implying ok to spank a little girl... rolling eyes, lol LizBeth Jan 2025 #38

Well, under certain circumstances...... BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2025 #42

Wow to hear the reply from men is seeming a lot like FB replies. LizBeth Jan 2025 #51

What? You must have high anxiety. usonian Jan 2025 #70

Europeans had Queens in the past... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #11

Wow, how did I overlook that little piece of history. Biophilic Jan 2025 #16

I Don't See RobinA Jan 2025 #22

Yes, I agree that we, as a nation, are not alone in the struggle with patriarchy and misogyny. Biophilic Jan 2025 #25

Religion also plays a HUGE part in the assumed gender roles and it fosters misogyny. Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #47

Eh, a lot of Europe has misogyny ingrained in their culture like us. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #24

Pin a lot of ot on religion. Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #48

That was post Vietnam and like post WWII strong silent men was what appealled to Ameicans. jalan48 Jan 2025 #26

I have similar thoughts on 50's TV shows and firearms 303squadron Jan 2025 #28

Yup. Biophilic Jan 2025 #32

Mary Tyler Moore. Rhoda. One Day At A Time. Alice. Iggo Jan 2025 #29

Yes, the 70s, exactly. Biophilic Jan 2025 #34

probably. But not everyone was infected by it ecstatic Jan 2025 #31

I don't think half the country did keep an open mind. Biophilic Jan 2025 #35

Modern day we have RW media/radio/podcasters/Youtubers/etc. IronLionZion Jan 2025 #41

Yes, I agree, but I was thinking of an older influence. Biophilic Jan 2025 #45

Misogyny is so ingrained in people it is not even noticed. Srkdqltr Jan 2025 #43

And yet, culturally it is ingrained in each generation. Biophilic Jan 2025 #46

Misogyny is taught in most religions in the world. usonian Jan 2025 #49

Yeah, I get that and have lived it, but I was talking about TV shows from the 50s and 60s. Biophilic Jan 2025 #50

YES and where did THEY get the idea? usonian Jan 2025 #52

The root causes weren't what I was looking at. Biophilic Jan 2025 #53

I remember a lot usonian Jan 2025 #63

Wow, we remember so differently. That's interesting. Biophilic Jan 2025 #65

Look at old photos of the west. usonian Jan 2025 #69

Sitcoms with "working women" oldtime dfl_er Jan 2025 #54

I heard a podcast about "Gunsmoke" viva la Jan 2025 #55

I've heard that before. I wonder who was pushing what? Biophilic Jan 2025 #56

There was so much of it too-- viva la Jan 2025 #67

Damn, you make me laugh because, yes, exactly. Biophilic Jan 2025 #68

A lot of good things were happening for girls and women during that era - milestogo Jan 2025 #57

Actually, I was discussing the tv shows of the 50s and 60s. Biophilic Jan 2025 #58

If you watch a lot of movies from different eras within a short time span, snot Jan 2025 #59

Hmmm, interesting thoughts. Biophilic Jan 2025 #60

Yes, TV reflects and reinforces the mythologies of the culture. Straw Man Jan 2025 #61

We're all feminazis as dear old dead rush limbaugh called us IcyPeas Jan 2025 #62