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Ocelot II

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Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:44 PM Jan 2025

Some things to know about executive orders: [View all]

Last edited Sun Jan 26, 2025, 06:31 PM - Edit history (1)

An executive order is a directive by a president relating to the management of executive branch agencies. They have been used by almost every president since (and including) Washington. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order containing explicit directions to the Army, the Navy, and other executive departments. But their power is limited to the operation of the executive branch, and most importantly, they can't be used to repeal or amend a federal statute or amend the Constitution. They can be and often are challenged in court on claims of constitutionality or executive branch overreach. One of the most famous instances of such challenges was to Truman's EO 10340, which directed the Secretary of Commerce to place all the country's steel mills under federal control. This EO was found invalid in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, in which SCOTUS held that the president lacked the power to seize private property without express authorization from Congress, and that the EO was an attempt to create law rather than merely direct the operations of the Commerce Department.

Trump's EO directing all federal government agencies to refrain from issuing citizenship documents to anyone born in the US to undocumented immigrant parents is an example of an attempt to legislate by EO, as it is contrary to the plain terms of the Fourteenth Amendment’s Citizenship Clause and Section 1401 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. So far a federal judge in WA has issued a TRO prohibiting its implementation, but it will probably go to SCOTUS eventually.

The point of all this, though, is to try to answer the question of why it appears that nothing is being done about Trump's blizzard of extreme EOs. I think something is being done, but we aren't seeing it yet because that "something" probably consists in preparing litigation - which is the only way to deal with these EOs. Congress couldn't do anything about them even if Democrats had a majority (Trump would veto anything they did). I believe we will see many lawsuits by many different agencies, organizations and individuals but it takes time (and a lot of money) to do this. If we want to see some effective action we can support the organizations like the ACLU that can handle these cases. We can keep at our Democratic representatives, encourage them to speak more loudly, but the real action will come out of litigation. Watch for it and help if you can.

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And like so many things, Republicans previously were VERY opposed to Exec orders RandomNumbers Jan 2025 #1
So were (D) when Trump flurried the US with them in 2017. Igel Jan 2025 #10
"Governing by Executive Order" EllisWhy Jan 2025 #17
K & R malaise Jan 2025 #2
Ah! They're all working hard behind the scenes again! Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #3
No. First, it has been 6 days. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #4
Gotta give team Felon credit, they have assured full employment of lawyers Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #42
That, they have. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #55
That's how litigation works. Sorry you aren't getting news bulletins every day. Ocelot II Jan 2025 #5
There you go being all thoughtful and reasonable. TomSlick Jan 2025 #9
And how do you know they're not? paleotn Jan 2025 #11
Deja vu! I've been here before! Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #22
Interesting. You say you've been here before. But you can't offer any constructive alternatives. onenote Jan 2025 #23
And again, same song, different crisis. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #25
Still repeating yourself. Still empty. onenote Jan 2025 #27
... orangecrush Jan 2025 #6
IOW, our side is preparing to. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2025 #7
Worth bookmarking for future reference beyond the first days... Thank you. ancianita Jan 2025 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2025 #12
The Orange Hoover thinks that his "mandate" gives him absolute doctorial powers. Liberal In Texas Jan 2025 #13
Coincidentally... TommyT139 Jan 2025 #19
man. They can. twist anything to mean what they want it to mean MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #45
Thank you canetoad Jan 2025 #14
so lawyers will be our soldiers? 4catsmom Jan 2025 #15
And what is your better alternative? onenote Jan 2025 #24
Yes, I think so MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #46
My Donations ConstanceCee Jan 2025 #16
I don't JustAnotherGen Jan 2025 #18
Who's "they"? Ocelot II Jan 2025 #21
Not every Democratic lawyer is Merrick Garland MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #47
Thank you Ocelot, this is good, helpful info FakeNoose Jan 2025 #20
Hopefully our Dem reps will stop giving trump's actions... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #26
That's not going to happen. Rubio got the support of every Democrat. onenote Jan 2025 #28
We should continue shooting at all targets.... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #29
I meant to reply to you MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #49
Thanks for the 'heads up', I saw 48 and replied to you. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #51
They had to vote for Rubio MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #48
If they had all voted "no", would he have got in anyway? Think. Again. Jan 2025 #50
Yes, but their other no votes have more meaning MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #52
I see, but I believe that a strong showing of collective resistance is.... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #53
Unfortunately the way that message is reported is "Trump wins again" onenote Jan 2025 #56
Yes, I agree, I think the Dms should show a stronger resistance to everything the nazis do. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #57
It would have been Trump wins again MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #58
Exactly!, but without the "Dems cave in again" part! Think. Again. Jan 2025 #59
Democrats voting for Marco Rubio MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #60
I disagree... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #61
There is a disctinction and we have to make it MadameButterfly Jan 2025 #62
All nazis. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #63
K&R spanone Jan 2025 #30
I want to see something done about the firing of the IG's. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #31
Here's a good analysis of the situation: Ocelot II Jan 2025 #32
Thank you for sharing this. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #33
But the main question is: who's gonna stop trump when he flouts these "constraints". calimary Jan 2025 #41
That's the ultimate question, isn't it? Ocelot II Jan 2025 #44
His is the nastiest bunch of EO I have ever seen Dem4life1234 Jan 2025 #34
It's likely that this onslaught of EOs was intended just as Steve Bannon wanted - Ocelot II Jan 2025 #36
Great points Dem4life1234 Jan 2025 #39
Fuck I forgot about his veto powers! Dem4life1234 Jan 2025 #35
Thx, Ocelot. Thank you for this rational explanation. Hekate Jan 2025 #37
Problem being, of course, that the USSC has its own agenda... malthaussen Jan 2025 #38
Good to remember: calimary Jan 2025 #40
Fourteenthth amendment, shmorteenth amendment. WHERE WAS ANYONE WHEN IT WAS VIOLATED BY TRUMP? usonian Jan 2025 #43
I am in agreement... rasputin1952 Jan 2025 #54
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