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In reply to the discussion: Good news Red States [View all]

Cirsium

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11. A couple of points
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 04:04 PM
Jan 2025

Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2025, 05:32 PM - Edit history (2)

Much produce comes from "blue states," Washington, Oregon, and California in particular.

Experienced farm workers here make closer to $20 an hour. Entry level is $9.

Disruptions in the food supply affect everyone, regardless of how they voted.

Paramilitary raids, mass arrests and indefinite detention, denial of due process, Gestapo tactics and horrific abuses have all been going on for 20+ years.

(I was called away. Here are some more observations.)

States don't vote, people do. Millions of Democratic voters live within the boundaries of "red" states. Even in "red" districts 40-49% of voters can often be Democratic voters.

Many immigrant farm workers here have earned citizenship.(They are under pressure). Many are from Europe. (They are not under pressure.) Many ag workers are white and are US citizens.

Here is how it breaks down in my experience:

Hispanic people are being terrorized, no matter where they work and no matter their status. It has nothing to do with immigration, it is white nationalism.

Workers with language skills, math skills, literacy and familiarity with machinery are not field workers, no matter their status or ethnicity

Workers without language skills, math skills, literacy and familiarity with machinery take field work. At one time that was mostly Dust Bowl refugees (think Grapes of Wrath). Today it is mostly immigrants from the South.

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Good news Red States [View all] KS Toronado Jan 2025 OP
? spooky3 Jan 2025 #1
I swore off going apple picking years ago underpants Jan 2025 #2
Construction, moving & storage, gardening oasis Jan 2025 #3
More like "on your own knuckleheads!" NM Grins Jan 2025 #31
LOL LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #4
When I told my son-in-law that grocery prices would increase piddyprints Jan 2025 #5
Years ago there was a bogus push to get citizens Klarkashton Jan 2025 #9
You should have asked your SIL DENVERPOPS Jan 2025 #18
Detassling Corn In Illinois Metaphorical Jan 2025 #28
I was too short for detassling. IL Dem Jan 2025 #32
Plus a lot of these probably pay less than $5 being in red states. KS Toronado Jan 2025 #6
And probably has to pay for their substandard lodgings too dickthegrouch Jan 2025 #7
it is "piece work" rampartd Jan 2025 #27
I don't see anything? Coventina Jan 2025 #8
I don't either--on two different browsers. Nt spooky3 Jan 2025 #20
I'll send an email, see if that helps KS Toronado Jan 2025 #23
I'll send an email, see if that helps KS Toronado Jan 2025 #22
The rich republican farmers and ranchers had it good for decades.. Omnipresent Jan 2025 #10
A couple of points Cirsium Jan 2025 #11
Worth its own posting n/t RockCreek Jan 2025 #30
DEI for poor white supremacists johnnyfins Jan 2025 #12
AI image generation needs to be tossed into the sun Oneironaut Jan 2025 #13
We used to have u-pick farms here in S.W. Florida William769 Jan 2025 #14
This is confusing. progressoid Jan 2025 #15
I took it as "OK all you idiots that voted for this, now go picking." KS Toronado Jan 2025 #24
I guess. progressoid Jan 2025 #25
FAFO flags for magats. (they make nice calling cards, too.) usonian Jan 2025 #16
With apologies to Tom Lehrer's song "George Murphy" DinahMoeHum Jan 2025 #17
My son lasted one day raking blueberries mainer Jan 2025 #19
Nawh, this is why red states Figarosmom Jan 2025 #21
BINGO! OldBaldy1701E Jan 2025 #33
Picking fruits and vegetables can't be as horrible as working in food processing plants. sop Jan 2025 #26
MAGAts are lazy and obese Dem4life1234 Jan 2025 #29
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