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malthaussen

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46. Seriously, I think our Founders would be aghast at what has transpired.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:39 PM
Feb 2025

They weren't cretins, they put a lot of thought and effort into designing a system that would compensate for the abysmal stupidity and cravenness of the people. That was one of the intents of the Electoral College, to save the people from demagogues by giving the cooler heads in the States the final say in who became President.

The system was designed with the understanding that the three branches of government were mutually antagonistic, and that their self-interest would always cause them to resist any power grab by any one of the branches. It was a cynical assessment of the actual conduct of men in government (and has a long legacy in the literature of the theory of government). It more-or-less worked, but the Founders either did not expect the monied interests to buy up all three branches and give them their marching orders, or they recognized that if that were to happen, we were screwed anyway. In any event, the rich found their front man, the people were either stupid (or desperate) enough to believe him, and worse yet, many those who didn't believe him didn't think enough of the threat he posed to actually oppose him at the ballot box, and here we are. I think it's ironic that the Democrats were all ready and primed to go to battle once DJT lost the election and started crying "fraud," and using extra-legal methods to overturn the outcome -- and didn't have to worry about it, because he won the election anyway. Now it's the Democrats who are suggesting that somebody cooked the books. I doubt it, frankly, at least any more than the GOP has always cooked the books. The Democrats failed to arouse their constituency enough to get them to turn up, and they lost. End of story. Pellucidly clear, one might say.

-- Mal

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I have a very simple question [View all] malaise Feb 2025 OP
This current system is irrevocably broken... Moostache Feb 2025 #1
Great post malaise Feb 2025 #4
Yes it REALLY should! halobeam Feb 2025 #18
Ditto. KPN Feb 2025 #25
Well said, and undeniably accurate. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #49
History is set for a post-human future. WheelWalker Feb 2025 #52
Hope I'm not being naieve here but I think some great and effective planning is going on right now. We'll see. SheilaAnn Feb 2025 #2
can you elaborate? berksdem Feb 2025 #10
Re: tsf/tfg, we.heard that for the last 4 years, si KPN Feb 2025 #26
Obviously the system is not so great if this shit can happen. n/t totodeinhere Feb 2025 #3
I have felt for months that some entity is outmaneuvering us. To me, it was so evident with "Loose" Canon. usaf-vet Feb 2025 #40
Rumor has it that Thomas will retire and Trump will nominate Cannon to replace him. totodeinhere Feb 2025 #54
It took over 200 years to create the effin system Progressive dog Feb 2025 #5
Especially when they have very bright - but evil - people pulling the strings, Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #8
All we had to do was prosecute him in good haste. KPN Feb 2025 #30
"We" didn't do that, a federalist society member did. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #33
You are right, but there were plenty of good Democrats KPN Feb 2025 #35
Yup, this wound was torn wide open by an infuriating, critically timed, oki-doki shuffle at the DOJ. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #50
When the courts fall, we have lost our democracy gab13by13 Feb 2025 #6
Exactly Diraven Feb 2025 #45
I'm on your side. People in congress need to get their act together and stop this coup. OLDMDDEM Feb 2025 #7
A criminal told the world he would be a dictator on day one, already attempted one coup and said he would pardon his malaise Feb 2025 #9
Beyond madness and chaos at this point! berksdem Feb 2025 #11
I am way more disturbed about the courts, ReTHUGs, national malaise Feb 2025 #13
Yeah, its definitely has global implications. KPN Feb 2025 #42
It sure doesn't seem that we were ready for it. I KPN Feb 2025 #41
The only plan was to win Diraven Feb 2025 #44
He also said "you will never have to vote again". KPN Feb 2025 #37
Yes he said that malaise Feb 2025 #38
Yup. KPN Feb 2025 #43
DuRec leftstreet Feb 2025 #12
Your premise is incorrect. We no longer have a "great" system. BarbD Feb 2025 #14
We found out it's not so great when we couldn't prosecute trmp after 4 years. spanone Feb 2025 #15
Indeed malaise Feb 2025 #17
... spanone Feb 2025 #21
Somehow whatever enforcement infrastructure designed to protect our common welfare were extracted. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #51
There is Codifer Feb 2025 #16
ReTHUGs - The party of law and order malaise Feb 2025 #19
Enabling Idiots. Key! czarjak Feb 2025 #20
Short answer: because people failed. malthaussen Feb 2025 #22
Sadly true malaise Feb 2025 #39
Seriously, I think our Founders would be aghast at what has transpired. malthaussen Feb 2025 #46
The answer is simple, but... 3825-87867 Feb 2025 #23
freedom is just loopholes KT2000 Feb 2025 #24
Exactly 😡 so many crimes 😡😡😡 TommieMommy Feb 2025 #27
who said the system was great? Skittles Feb 2025 #28
JoeScum says it evert effin day malaise Feb 2025 #31
Who knew that the system could be bought for only $260 Million? Musk knew. Klarkashton Feb 2025 #29
To the highest bidder malaise Feb 2025 #32
Didnt the south koreans show us? Karadeniz Feb 2025 #34
Great question. I cannot answer that. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #36
And they did without even having to set fire to the Reichstag. surfered Feb 2025 #47
They have been working on this for more than four years malaise Feb 2025 #53
They never anticipated an entire party or SCOTUS that would be totally lawless. nt doc03 Feb 2025 #48
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