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lapfog_1

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106. mostly to demonstrate just HOW EASY it is to steal everything

Thu Feb 6, 2025, 02:29 PM

Feb 2025

once you have access..

And, sadly, that even if the Government is still using software written in the 60s and 70s, how easy it is to steal the data that the old software either consumes or produces.

Everyone is saying how his team is "a bunch of 20 something geniuses"... I really doubt that. Smart, sure... but not coding geniuses. I've only met a few of those in my life time working for either DOE ( Energy ) or NASA, or now at one of leading AI companies.

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Norm Eisen: BREAKING: we just blocked Musk & Trump out of the Treasury systems! [View all] Dennis Donovan Feb 2025 OP

Cold comfort. According to Wired GusBob Feb 2025 #1

Now, all we have to do is catch them in the act. Baitball Blogger Feb 2025 #3

Yep, the entire data system needs to be rebuilt from scratch. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #54

That would be an enormous undertaking Tweedy Feb 2025 #57

The original system is compromised, we have to. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #60

Perhaps. Today we cannot trust those in control Tweedy Feb 2025 #66

No, we certainly can NOT trust the current powers. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #72

It would provide a ton of IT jobs! BadgerMom Feb 2025 #101

an enormous undertaking that would be contracted out to a tech bro rampartd Feb 2025 #147

Same as if a foreign hacker team had infiltrated the system DBoon Feb 2025 #151

"... a republic, if you can keep it" Ben Franklin. NotHardly Feb 2025 #63

What data did they ALREADY steal? Bluetus Feb 2025 #78

Agree with you on all counts. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #87

No. Thank you for the link. Bluetus Feb 2025 #113

It would be great if someone could get access and do the paper ballot recounts now. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #115

There are Dem Governors in the majority of swing states Bluetus Feb 2025 #123

That admission by trump has gotten ALMOST NO scrutiny by the mega corporate media. THAT is a huge problem in the USA. BComplex Feb 2025 #88

Thank you for the clip MustLoveBeagles Feb 2025 #98

That's what gets me Dem4life1234 Feb 2025 #117

Screw David pack whatever with a rusty rake questionseverything Feb 2025 #131

Given that the asshole actually said those words clearly KPN Feb 2025 #94

AFAIK, none of the DEM Governors in any of those swing states has asked for any kind of audit Bluetus Feb 2025 #108

And what SOURCE CODE has been replaced? already? Captain Zero Feb 2025 #107

Absolutely. Make them file their answers to the court Bluetus Feb 2025 #119

We kept getting our hands slapped every damn time we mentioned it on here Dem4life1234 Feb 2025 #116

I spent years harping on the need for election security returnee Feb 2025 #120

It really is mind-boggling. Bluetus Feb 2025 #122

Not just "What did they steal?"... regnaD kciN Feb 2025 #127

Yet, we can get all whipped up about Tiktok Bluetus Feb 2025 #145

Yep. The damage has already been done. What's KPN Feb 2025 #92

And fine Elon for the bills racked up fixing, patching re-coding, whatever is needed to get his geeks the f' out Attilatheblond Feb 2025 #109

an what about evilhime Feb 2025 #93

Absolutely. To give Krause or Elez "special employee" access is giving the Musk & the Musk Hacker Group access. ancianita Feb 2025 #144

Thank you Retired Veterans! Baitball Blogger Feb 2025 #2

Too late, He and the Z kiddies have the data and set the backdoors....nt wcmagumba Feb 2025 #4

Yup. They have installed command/control software - probably root kits that can't be detected. erronis Feb 2025 #26

Surely there are backups? BadgerKid Feb 2025 #46

And as young and privileged as they are, they're the type to haele Feb 2025 #74

Remember the Enron conversations? Laughing about "grandma"? CaptainTruth Feb 2025 #102

Yup, this was reported on various news outlets. Treasury engineers witnessed their manipulation of the code. Native Feb 2025 #90

Data migration this weekend? yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #128

I heard this on either MSNBC, CNN, or the Sirius Progressive station (likely Stephanie's show, but could have been Thom) Native Feb 2025 #138

Thanks yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #139

I am so happy about this! One worry I have...what happens if they ignore the court order? LiberalLoner Feb 2025 #5

We won't know it gab13by13 Feb 2025 #30

They no doubt already have the data. arthritisR_US Feb 2025 #59

Listen to Michael Popak. He gives a good break down. PortTack Feb 2025 #85

Really, not good enough. These people, granted 'read-only' access can simply use their cellphones to copy sinkingfeeling Feb 2025 #6

They had more than read only access. travelingthrulife Feb 2025 #61

Mission accomplished. Backdoors installed and now the children can work comfortably in their recliners LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #7

Or sitting in offices in Beijing or Moscow/Saint Petersburg. erronis Feb 2025 #29

But the children doing the work I don't think they realize that Big Iron is designed for backups and LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #99

I'm pretty sure you're misreading that order. MineralMan Feb 2025 #8

Read only Wifes husband Feb 2025 #17

Tom Krause is the CEO of CSG, the parent of Citrix, the REMOTE ACCESS company Prairie Gates Feb 2025 #9

If the judge finds out this NOT-TRO is poorly informed, she might issue a superseding order that's a ancianita Feb 2025 #16

I was wondering if this order was enough. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #129

Go Norm Go dem4decades Feb 2025 #10

Damn! I NEEDED THIS! Thank you, Norm Eisen! Some good news after the overwhelming avalanche of bad... hlthe2b Feb 2025 #11

They need to be... 2naSalit Feb 2025 #12

Put them on a Space-X starship Seinan Sensei Feb 2025 #42

It's too late! LittleGirl Feb 2025 #13

And don't be surprised if your refund or Social Security is delayed (forever.) erronis Feb 2025 #32

I have to wonder if these young men are aware of how history will judge them Arazi Feb 2025 #14

History ? Hell, they'd better worry about how a criminal court will judge them. eppur_se_muova Feb 2025 #19

Oh definitely. I'm certain they've broken some serious laws Arazi Feb 2025 #25

After what they have done even criminal court may be the least of their worries. hadEnuf Feb 2025 #84

This should be treated the same as espionage valleyrogue Feb 2025 #23

I'm good with that Arazi Feb 2025 #27

We are so far from that with this court order.. halobeam Feb 2025 #47

It is GOING to be done. It will be done legally valleyrogue Feb 2025 #48

what is going to be done? MadameButterfly Feb 2025 #83

I'm not in favor of the death penalty, either, generalbetrayus Feb 2025 #86

USAID 'to the wood chipper' GusBob Feb 2025 #33

They should be rounded up and sent to Florence ADX or be on death row valleyrogue Feb 2025 #52

Unfortunately they'll be pardoned Arazi Feb 2025 #58

An insider is going to turn against them one way or the other. valleyrogue Feb 2025 #67

We can hope. And sooner than later Arazi Feb 2025 #69

What my late dad always said: "If two people know a secret, it isn't a secret anymore." n/t valleyrogue Feb 2025 #77

Unless trump/Musk go after what gold is left at Fort Knox, they are not going to get much from disbursement records. Silent Type Feb 2025 #15

You forgot the sarcasm thingy gab13by13 Feb 2025 #35

Uh... don't they already steal the data? sakabatou Feb 2025 #18

My IT business son in NM: Too late. They're already in and have been since last week when the govt portals went down ancianita Feb 2025 #20

HUGE malaise Feb 2025 #21

That's great. choie Feb 2025 #22

My IT business son in NM also says: ancianita Feb 2025 #24

Yes Wired.com is crushing it with the coverage Arazi Feb 2025 #34

You install the backdoor and the operating system level (or even below). erronis Feb 2025 #38

So without any knowledge of this language it's possible? Arazi Feb 2025 #41

no not accurate lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #76

Thank you. Really interesting Arazi Feb 2025 #80

They are slow to change lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #89

. Arazi Feb 2025 #91

Kara Swisher said something along the lines of they will need to get in there with some "white hat hackers" yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #130

it would be very hard to even know where they started lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #141

I was just about to post "It doesn't even matter if they 'know' COBOL, because AI most definitely does" AZJonnie Feb 2025 #95

mostly to demonstrate just HOW EASY it is to steal everything lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #106

Indeed. And the potential for damage simply by having access to a system administrator-level database role AZJonnie Feb 2025 #110

See Nathan Tankus's pieces pioche4 Feb 2025 #103

Oh he's been on fire! Arazi Feb 2025 #118

I read the Tankus piece you linked. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #133

Wired and 404media? I'll take The Guardian and ProPublica, The American Prospect, etc. erronis Feb 2025 #36

Wired is legit Arazi Feb 2025 #45

Okay, quibble about sources, but the fact of backdoor installation is what the govt portal shutdown was for. ancianita Feb 2025 #53

Wired is great Tweedy Feb 2025 #64

Should Rebl2 Feb 2025 #28

Keep the heat on. ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2025 #31

Celebrate, but we won't even know gab13by13 Feb 2025 #37

I think they would do it by altering the databases directly. erronis Feb 2025 #40

Grateful to Norm Eisen!!! flamingdem Feb 2025 #39

Shouldn't this be done by Democrats? Owens Feb 2025 #43

It should be done by Americans. n/t eShirl Feb 2025 #104

So what are the chances Diraven Feb 2025 #44

Too late, the backdoor has probably already been established. Lars39 Feb 2025 #49

DOJ attorneys agree to temporarily limit DOGE's access to Treasury payment systems: report LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #50

This just legitimizes their prior entry into the system... Think. Again. Feb 2025 #56

They'll be pardoned before it ever gets that far Arazi Feb 2025 #65

I still hope we'll find our way out from under the nazis, somehow. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #70

Same Arazi Feb 2025 #71

Solidarity! Think. Again. Feb 2025 #73

Somehow. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #134

exactly. It's a Permission Slip. halobeam Feb 2025 #79

Good, now we just have to rebuild the entire data system from scratch. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #51

Won't happen under this administration Arazi Feb 2025 #62

That's true, and we shouldn't trust it if it does. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #68

Here is a list of the people who will also have access LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #55

If a president can ignore the law then can't he just ignore the courts and pardon anyone who does his bidding? Jansen Feb 2025 #75

Are you sure? kansasobama Feb 2025 #81

Actually, they didn't block anything. The deed was done a week ago.This will drag out, no one will be brought to justice ancianita Feb 2025 #82

will they comply though? LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #96

Who is going to escort Musk & his team from the premises? FakeNoose Feb 2025 #97

Keep Blocking 'Em!✊ Daleuhlmann Feb 2025 #100

They have to be... 2naSalit Feb 2025 #105

Good. But we need an immediate forensic audit to see what was stolen! SunSeeker Feb 2025 #111

How would that get implemented? yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #136

Yes, an independent audit would have to be ordered by the judge. nt SunSeeker Feb 2025 #137

Best of luck enforcing it misanthrope Feb 2025 #112

Good! Meowmee Feb 2025 #114

Norm Eisen Court win Jjmc Feb 2025 #121

Welcome to DU ! KS Toronado Feb 2025 #146

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #149

Update: one of the named exemptions (Marko Elez) forced to resign from DOGE for RACISM Prairie Gates Feb 2025 #124

They already had access to it though. City Lights Feb 2025 #125

True.................. Lovie777 Feb 2025 #126

K&R spanone Feb 2025 #132

The damage was already done. Karma13612 Feb 2025 #135

A court order? Ha! hurple Feb 2025 #140

Elon the Nazi stupid IT Goons already migrated these databases to other servers or at least flatfiles. StocktonNative Feb 2025 #142

Are Tom Krause & Marko Elez the 20 year goons Elon Ilsa Feb 2025 #143

So what about this?? samplegirl Feb 2025 #148

Closing the barn door after the horse is gone. Heftylefty Feb 2025 #150