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107. Trump's Illegal Actions

Reply to ElementaryPenguin (Original post)

Sat Feb 8, 2025, 10:02 PM

Feb 2025

I think one day the Supreme Court's decision on Presidential immunity may be overturned, if the Republic survives or is reborn in the future. The ruling states that Presidents can not be prosecuted for "official acts". But the powers of the President are defined by the Constitution and limited by it. If the President engages in unlawful and unconstitutional acts, these acts by definition can not be "official" since they are outside of the scope of the constitutional powers of the Presidency. Illegal and unconstitutional acts can not therefore be "official".

What Trump (and Musk) are doing by defunding and destroying agencies and programs is illegal and unconstitutional. It is an usurpation of the constitutional powers of the Congress. It is not within the legal power of the President and his agents to do this. So since it is not within the constitutional powers of the President it can not be "official". As such, the President and his agents could be held accountable for these crimes and perhaps one day might be prosecuted for these crimes.

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OMG!! THIS is what Trump and Musk are up to!! (Forget the sensational distractions!) [View all] ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 OP

I think this as well. FalloutShelter Feb 2025 #1

I'm thinking his next move ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #4

make us all expendable. rampartd Feb 2025 #66

same as it ever was... SonOfNebanaube Feb 2025 #113

I came to this conclusion after reading the substack article I'm linking below. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #96

No problem SG! FalloutShelter Feb 2025 #119

finished building Colossus in TN, the world's largest AI computing center. MagickMuffin Feb 2025 #2

Could well have been!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #3

Very well might have been Botany Feb 2025 #8

I never bought it was legit either. No way he could've won after all the fatal type political hits that moron took!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #17

Trump was masturbating a mic stand, giving a blow job to a microphone in front of tv cameras, Botany Feb 2025 #32

In a country supposedly divided 50/50, winning a seven swing srtates is a statistical stretch. flashman13 Feb 2025 #49

Saying this at DU would get you bashed and ridiculed a few months ago. milestogo Feb 2025 #146

So, BonnieJW Feb 2025 #33

Probably. rubbersole Feb 2025 #39

The republicans have been working on controlling the vote by computer manipulation for years. Botany Feb 2025 #40

Remember, in some states the Magas were allowed to take the voting machines home with them. We can rest ratchiweenie Feb 2025 #138

This coup that started with bush v Gore (or clear back to Rehnquist stopping blacks or Hispanics from Botany Feb 2025 #142

He's a computer genius with a major personality disorder and no conscience at all. milestogo Feb 2025 #147

Actually...no he's not a computer genius...he's not a genius at anything PortTack Feb 2025 #157

except the polls consistently showed trump able to win. How was somebody into the data? LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #67

Not just this last election but going back 20+ years when they shifted to electronic voting and the Botany Feb 2025 #131

I'm talking about the pre-election polls. LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #164

Hacked? Katcat Feb 2025 #80

There is no way Trump won every swing state - TBF Feb 2025 #172

Simply put, Musk wants his computers to take over operation of the U S. government. John1956PA Feb 2025 #5

Not surprising at all. Hopefully. ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #19

Oh, and excuse me, BUT FAWK THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA!!!!!! a kennedy Feb 2025 #27

they already started NJCher Feb 2025 #55

Thank you! I will read this tonight if I can access it. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #106

YES. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #102

Coincidentally, I just posted something very similar Bluetus Feb 2025 #6

Interesting too. This has got to be stopped ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #7

Agreed. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #105

+1. Agree, they want to gut most agencies and replace it with AI, radius777 Feb 2025 #20

Great points. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #109

This hypothesis ticks some boxes: Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #9

Great observations all, ID! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #11

Agree on all points but 1. Bluetus Feb 2025 #42

Yes there are other ways for Musk to make money on the data. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #46

In the movie "The Aviator" (2004) Howard Hughes states that many contractors fail to produce. John1956PA Feb 2025 #51

That is quite common. Bluetus Feb 2025 #108

Yes this is common knowledge. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #125

No, that's not what I'm saying. Bluetus Feb 2025 #75

I think they are building it as they go. If you consider how AI is built, Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #98

I am sure they all believe the story. Bluetus Feb 2025 #103

Yes my thoughts as well, they are building it as they go. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #124

Thanks for the reply, Irish Dem. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #128

Information about AI is going to be important I think. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #133

Because the existing government workers will not go along with their long term plan to seize power. mackdaddy Feb 2025 #52

YES to all of that! Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #110

"Call me crazy if you like,..." Disaffected Feb 2025 #10

LOL! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #13

Musk forgot one important thing. Just as technology is improving for AI, so are the counter measures Baitball Blogger Feb 2025 #12

Very glad you pointed that fact out! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #14

Counter measures can also be used to... WestMichRad Feb 2025 #93

Excellent point! And a hopeful one! Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #111

Can you explain EMPs? Thank you. phylny Feb 2025 #130

From what I understand of it, which is very limited. Baitball Blogger Feb 2025 #132

You're kind to take the time, and thank you! phylny Feb 2025 #134

Just sent to Senator Blumenthal. He was on air yesterday saying his subcomittee.. halobeam Feb 2025 #15

Wow! That's awesome! Thank you!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #21

Anything, I can do! Here is the link to his office if anyone on DU wants to send it too.. halobeam Feb 2025 #25

Thank you! Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #116

Let me count the ways. Bluetus Feb 2025 #44

I posted this a few days ago and was as usual ignored or ridiculed. phylny Feb 2025 #16

You were on to it. Sorry you were ridiculed! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #23

If (when) quantum computing becomes powerful enough to radius777 Feb 2025 #34

I'm sorry, I do not understand this - would you be kind enough to explain it to me? phylny Feb 2025 #63

I'll give it a shot. Shipwack Feb 2025 #85

Fantastic and understandable. Thank you! phylny Feb 2025 #88

Started reading leighbythesea2 Feb 2025 #117

Crypto currency depends on encryption (not suprisingly) Disaffected Feb 2025 #87

Very good, understandable and helpful. phylny Feb 2025 #89

YW. nt Disaffected Feb 2025 #90

The one that ridiculed you is a Musk fan JI7 Feb 2025 #94

Agree and I can report that this is being confirmed Bread and Circuses Feb 2025 #127

Excellent info Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #135

Yes - I believe there is a link to be followed from what MuskRat yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #168

Colossus is probably what they used to finagle the votes. Clouds Passing Feb 2025 #18

I agree. ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #24

Me, too. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #114

He didn't spend $280 million for nothing. subterranean Feb 2025 #22

What will life look like under AI rule? lame54 Feb 2025 #26

! Marcuse Feb 2025 #43

Perfect! Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #115

"Get in line, Peon. rubbersole Feb 2025 #47

Naming it "Colossus" gives me visions of Sci-fi Horror RoeVWade Feb 2025 #28

"Colossus: The Forbin Project" (1970) is about a computer takeover of the U.S. government. John1956PA Feb 2025 #37

The entire trilogy is excellent, written by a former Royal Navy officer. This OP makes sense. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #56

Interestingly I just saw a video on how Musk removed this movie from all streaming services in December of 2024 halobeam Feb 2025 #137

Elon missed one kpinvt Feb 2025 #143

The Russians call this "maskerovka". Musk is hiding his intentions and the provenance of this scheme. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #145

The role for humans intrepidity Feb 2025 #160

The imagination and memories of millions of brains will boost AI exponentially. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #162

Funny you mention dreams intrepidity Feb 2025 #163

Dreams, Imagination, and the National Psyche C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #167

Came here to say this exact thing. Shipwack Feb 2025 #86

And TSF doesn't even know how to use a computer. milestogo Feb 2025 #29

Freaky thought, just seeing them "overhauling" Air Traffic.. halobeam Feb 2025 #30

G.O.P. will insist their brand of 'religion' be a Massive Factor in Technofasicm BoRaGard Feb 2025 #31

I shared that post elsewhere and was attacked (by fellow liberals) as being alarmist. lol n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #35

AI hallucinates! RainCaster Feb 2025 #36

Privatization...of course. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #38

who is Conrad Goehausen? Kali Feb 2025 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #69

Not just government but potentially much of the US workforce. Check out 'Tesla Bot' a general-purpose humanoid robot.... AntiFascist Feb 2025 #45

Well, let's be fair, markodochartaigh Feb 2025 #60

LOL!!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #97

Those robots are likely further away from ready than Musk pretends misanthrope Feb 2025 #120

Yes, that's why big corps are so invested Nigrum Cattus Feb 2025 #48

Anybody know how to get this to Rachel and Lawrence and Ali and Ari Amaryllis Feb 2025 #50

msnbc website, you'll find all their contacts there :) halobeam Feb 2025 #61

We're all hosed, if this is true. Mr. Scorpio Feb 2025 #53

So America First was actually AI first, Americans last IronLionZion Feb 2025 #54

I said this earlier today Bayard Feb 2025 #57

Remember when Sully Sullenberger did a perfect water landing? milestogo Feb 2025 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Feb 2025 #58

Truth Arazi Feb 2025 #59

I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream bluescribbler Feb 2025 #62

You beat me to it. yonder Feb 2025 #76

Jeez.. yes. I think I was 15 when I read that. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #99

My thoughts some time ago Dan Feb 2025 #64

I would not doubt that he is probably feeding our data into an AI model erodriguez Feb 2025 #65

They're both maniacs with clear signs of dementia. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2025 #68

So the techbros punked Trump... jmbar2 Feb 2025 #70

More than one tech bro is involved, and journalist Gil Duran is doing the best writing about this. highplainsdem Feb 2025 #71

THANK YOU. EXACTLY. ancianita Feb 2025 #83

Thank you for all the links! Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #121

I've a heard a version of this mentioned before and I'm sure that's what Elon wants to do... LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #72

You are correct, but it doesn't really matter. Shipwack Feb 2025 #95

yes, that is exactly what I was referring to -- it's definitely a scam of the highest order LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #165

How has this guy become your "knowledgeable friend"? Try Googling him. ancianita Feb 2025 #73

Hi, ancianita! Conrad Goehausen doesn't seem to have any professional expertise related to what highplainsdem Feb 2025 #79

Hi, highplainsdem! Nope, he doesn't. ancianita Feb 2025 #81

Either Elon never read "The Fall of Colossus" or he thinks none of us have. malthaussen Feb 2025 #74

He's another narcissist. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #100

It would not surprise me if Elon and Trump are working on a way to make all women expendable. AI sex is the next thing. Jit423 Feb 2025 #77

Take it from a computer professional Beck23 Feb 2025 #78

A year or so ago, I posted a report about a programmer Musk consulted informally about some coding Emrys Feb 2025 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Feb 2025 #82

Well, I've been holding on to hope until beveeheart Feb 2025 #84

Don't despair, beveeheart. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #126

I've come to the same conclusion. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #91

Colossus: The Musk Project MrWowWow Feb 2025 #104

If you want to watch or get a copy of this movie Linda ladeewolf Feb 2025 #153

Trump's Illegal Actions Baron2024 Feb 2025 #107

Pardon if this has already been posted in this thread, mwmisses4289 Feb 2025 #112

This rings true Martin Eden Feb 2025 #118

Exactly! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #161

Please see, if not already linked above. usonian Feb 2025 #122

I linked to the first one, but not the second. Thanks for that! See my reply 71 above. highplainsdem Feb 2025 #166

I can see it now. Why would we need SCOTUS? ... aggiesal Feb 2025 #123

Glitches gonna glitch Dunnjen Feb 2025 #129

Makes a lot of sense Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #136

"Techno-fascism"--a dystopian phrase if there ever was one. Timeflyer Feb 2025 #139

Do we have any white hat hacker DU members? This information needs to be put in the faces of the Proud Boys, the LaMouffette Feb 2025 #140

Colossus The Forbin Project ( 1970) kpinvt Feb 2025 #141

Very good film. Unintended consequence can be a bitch. marble falls Feb 2025 #158

Next stop: Renraku Arcology Orrex Feb 2025 #144

Yes, Musk is trying to take over the government through the use of AI, which will be controlled by him and Martin68 Feb 2025 #149

Yes. That is what I see, too. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #169

I have no doubt that this is the case Metaphorical Feb 2025 #150

Colossus: The Forbin Project was supposed to be fiction JanMichael Feb 2025 #151

i was thinking of that movie also. Amaryllis Feb 2025 #152

Doubt the use of the word Colossus was an accident. JanMichael Feb 2025 #154

AIs Linda ladeewolf Feb 2025 #155

This is why he offered Zuckerberg $500,000,000 for AI Development. 33taw Feb 2025 #156

This from a poster on Bluesky phylny Feb 2025 #159

Trump is nuts enough to think this is wonderful. Vinca Feb 2025 #170

I cut my programming chops learning the first AI language LISP... cayugafalls Feb 2025 #171

I couldn't help but chuckle at the irony of a language called lisp, the implication being that it is defective. Martin68 Feb 2025 #174

I actually have a lisp, and until speech therapy helped me cayugafalls Feb 2025 #175

I apologize for my lack of sensitivity. Perhaps naming a computer language that way was insensitive. Martin68 Feb 2025 #177

The quote given in the OP Danascot Feb 2025 #173

Pull the plug... Every single one... ultralite001 Feb 2025 #176

No, it's to grift & cut out those who can hold them accountable. We KNOW this because it's already happening themaguffin Feb 2025 #178