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Tommy Carcetti

(44,587 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 11:00 AM Feb 2025

I think some people are misinterpreting the Trump-Musk dynamic. [View all]

People seem to want to paint Trump as some sort of unwilling puppet of Musk, insisting that Musk is the true President in fact, calling him "President Musk," etc.

And that's a great way to troll Trump and get under his skin. But it's not really accurate, IMHO.

The paradoxical thing about Trump is that he absolutely loves power and being in charge, but he doesn't like being President.

He loves the adulation, the entourage, the idea that he can rename places at the blink of an eye or threaten to take over whatever sovereign land or throw the economic markets into an instant frenzy over tariff threats, and then instantly calm them like he's Jesus Christ by pulling back. It feeds his ego--which is insatiable, but still needs to be constantly fed.

He doesn't like being President not necessarily because he's lazy or stupid (although a very good argument could be made for him being both of those things), but rather because of the constraints put on the Presidency. The constitutional checks and balances from the other two branches. The oversights. The limits.

And most importantly of all, the President's duties towards the citizens. Trump has zero interest in helping the people, serving the people, protecting the people. He's 100% interested in helping only one person, and that's himself. And he has no interest at all in a government that has responsibility towards its own citizens.

So he's just as happy to get rid of that role of government. He wishes to govern by fiat and personal will, not a Constitutional mandate. He wants to be Emperor Trump, not President Trump.

Enter Elon Musk.

Musk gladly takes on the role of Trump's hatchet man, to destroy everything good that the government does for its citizens, so that all is left is a hollow shell that serves only to glorify him.

Trump himself lacks the wits and energy to do all this himself, so he basically outsourced it all to Musk, a man who happily feeds on chaos. And destroying government--like destroying Twitter--creates lots and lots and lots of chaos.

If this were Star Wars, think of Elon Musk as Grand Moff Tarkin, the ruthless commander of the Death Star who goes from planet to planet destroying everything in sight.

Meanwhile, Trump is Palpatine, with a little Jabba the Hutt mixed in.

No, actually a lot of Jabba the Hutt mixed in, if you know what I mean.

For now, it's a symbiotic relationship between Trump and Musk.

Could it turn sour? Will they turn on each other?

Knowing their egos and volatile personalities, most likely it will. I don't think we've reached that stage yet.

Right now, they're still very much a dangerous dyad working in concert with one another. A two-headed monster.

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John Kasich claims Trump approached him with a deal during the 2016 election. Midnight Writer Feb 2025 #1
Double edged sword scenario here though - eventually the pissed at Musk people will turn on Trump. Native Feb 2025 #14
Here is the tell about who is in charge. gab13by13 Feb 2025 #2
Both are directed by Putin DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #6
That is really what I believe since Russia was financier of most of Musks projects ( and Trumps) LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #10
Which of Musks projects were financed by Russia? EX500rider Feb 2025 #11
Who knows really.. Just been speculated for years. Probably by the same conspiracy theorists who LiberalArkie Feb 2025 #24
Can the international police get Musty? Dem4life1234 Feb 2025 #25
That's been my theory since the beginning. It is the only thing that has ever made sense to me. Native Feb 2025 #15
Neither is malaise Feb 2025 #20
Add to that....Trump's paycheck and bonus depends on doing what Musk/Putin order mtngirl47 Feb 2025 #7
musk got himself elected president 4catsmom Feb 2025 #17
Musk couldn't be elected... Dulcinea Feb 2025 #26
On a related note... lonely bird Feb 2025 #3
I hate seeing the headlines. Musk is doing XYZ. mzmolly Feb 2025 #4
Reminds me of the GW/Cheney partnership, robbob Feb 2025 #5
The same exact thing DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #9
The Problem Is Nasruddin Feb 2025 #8
The two ARE the same problem. calimary Feb 2025 #21
I've also heard the comparison of Trump as Emperor Palpatine and Musk as Darth Vader LymphocyteLover Feb 2025 #12
Pretty much ... but add in Trump's current descent into dementia and TBF Feb 2025 #13
"A two headed monster." Mr. Evil Feb 2025 #16
I've been saying it before and I'll say it again: Initech Feb 2025 #18
I believe you're about 99% correct. The one thing that I'd add is that I believe TSF is using Musk to be the fall guy. Texin Feb 2025 #19
No one can know for sure Meowmee Feb 2025 #22
Musk also has the 25th amendment in his back pocket. hay rick Feb 2025 #23
Trump absolutely will get 25th amendmented if he crosses Elon. Initech Feb 2025 #29
Would this be Vance? Eko Feb 2025 #27
Very true. My take is it's about money & expertise Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #28
All I know is for a toddler usedtobedemgurl Feb 2025 #30
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