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In reply to the discussion: I know many, especially here... are upset about the situation in Ukraine. [View all]Emrys
(8,888 posts)91. That tends to happen after genocide and when you don't want to be part of it (see bold below)
Russia repeats genocide on Crimean Tatars
The 80 years since the genocidal deportation of the Crimean Tatar people are not just a tragedy for the Crimean Tatars, but a systemic diagnosis and a historical warning of what Russian imperialism is.
MEP Anna Fotyga, former foreign minister of Poland
The Crimean Tatars are but one of numerous peoples who have suffered from Moscow's expansionist policies over the course of three consecutive centuries. Moscow first deprived the Crimean Tatars of their state territories, and then of their statehood on the Crimean Peninsula and the adjacent regions. These territories are currently witnessing fierce battles for Ukrainian independence.. In the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars, along with Poles and Ukrainians, fell into the hands of Russian imperialism, and the first thing Moscow did was strike at the historical memory of these peoples. The blow to the Crimean Tatars was so profound that by the end of the 19th century, they were on the brink of total extinction.
Even the microscopic presence of Crimean Tatars on the Crimean Peninsula was viewed as an existential, ideological, and historical threat for the Kremlin. Putin's words were not accidental when he said that Crimea is a sacred place for all of Russia. However, it is based on historical lies and omits the fact that less than 6 per cent of Crimeas written history belongs to the Russian chapter. This short period of 168 years was fulfilled with genocidal policies of the Russian rulers, because in this strategic location there was no place for the indigenous people under tsarist, Soviet rule and likewise for Putin's and any other chauvinistic regime in Russia. As a result, on May 19, 1944, 80 years ago, Moscow organised a mass deportation of the Crimean Tatar people and several other ethnic groups residing on the peninsula. The entire Crimean Tatar people were squeezed into hundreds of enormous kilometer-long trains and moved eastward to Central Asia over 21 days. It was a deliberate decision to annihilate the people of Crimea and the peoples of the North Caucasus, who were also mass-deported that year. During their exile, the Crimean Tatars lost about half of their population.
Immediately after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, the process of complete historical, cultural, and archaeological annihilation of all Crimean Tatars began. 80 per cent of the Crimean Tatar localities were renamed. It was a deliberate and targeted forgetting of the history of Crimea, which was intertwined with the history of its indigenous people. It was exactly what the term genocide defines. We need to say it loudly: Moscow committed genocide on the Crimean Tatars in 1944. This process continued until the end of the USSR, and even after the fall of the empire and the return of the indigenous people to their homeland. Local authorities and pro-Russian forces in Kyiv actively hindered the restoration of the presence of Crimean Tatars in Crimea. The Crimean Tatars and their representative bodies, the Mejlis and the Qurultay, made their historical choice to support a pro-European and pro-Ukrainian future for Ukrainian statehood in the late 1980s and have essentially never deviated from this course. They believed and believed that only in this way could they ensure the revival of their people on their ancestral land.
In the 2000s, a new historical period of flourishing seemed to begin for the Crimean Tatars. Culture, media, art, and much more were developing. It appeared that the Crimean Tatars were given a second chance for historical and, most importantly, political revival. However, Russian imperialism never sleeps and was preparing an act of aggression against Ukraine and the Crimean Tatars. The annexation and occupation of Crimea again placed the Crimean Tatars on the brink of survival. They forced the political leadership and active and talented youth to leave the peninsula because Moscow and the occupying authorities initiated mass persecution of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars for their refusal to accept the new /old occupying power. Since 2014, Crimea is the epicenter of human rights violations in occupied Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have again found themselves on the brink of an existential challenge, as they did in the late 18th century when they were under the occupation of the Russian Empire. Let me just focus on one case. Server Mustafayev was born in 1986 in Uzbekistan. The family later returned to Crimea, specifically to the city of Bakhchisarai. Server finished school in Bakhchisarai and then enrolled in the Bakhchisarai Construction College at the National Agrarian University. He studied at Kyiv National University, specializing in heat and gas supply and ventilation. Afterward, he worked as a manager in communication shops. In 2014 he started to manage a chain of bakeries. He was also active in the community in Bakhchisarai, organizing childrens parties and social events and helping low-income families. He became the coordinator of the public association "Crimean Solidarity.In May 2018, the occupation authorities searched Mustafayevs house and arrested the activist. Subsequently, the occupation authorities illegally sentenced him to 14 years in prison for participating in the activities of a terrorist organization and preparing for the violent seizure of power. The occupiers convicted Server Mustafayev for defending victims of political persecution and reporting on human rights violations in the occupied Crimea. Despite the harsh conditions of his imprisonment, Server remains an activist and is involved in human rights activitie.: Server helped his cellmate reunite with his child, who was taken from him when he was taken to prison. Due to a long stay in the pre-trial detention center, Mustafayev developed heart problems. A similar fate is shared by more than 200 political prisoners from occupied, majority of of whom are Crimean Tatars.
Since February 2022, with the beginning of full-scale aggression against Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have supported the Ukrainian people in their struggle against the Russian aggressor. The mass emigration of Crimean Tatars from Crimea in the autumn of 2022 to many EU countries and Turkey should be seen as a systemic refusal to serve in the occupying forces and shoot civilians. Some Crimean Tatars remain living in Crimea, where they have been deprived of cultural, political, and historical rights, while others are scattered like beads around the world. The Kremlin effectively favours the soft migration of Crimean Tatars beyond the borders of the Russian Federation and Crimea. The situation in other occupied territories in the Donbas and Zaporizhia region demonstrates that the underlying scheme is chauvinism, characterised by genocide and the destruction of everything non-Russian and dissenting.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/opinion/russia-repeats-genocide-on-crimean-tatars/
The 80 years since the genocidal deportation of the Crimean Tatar people are not just a tragedy for the Crimean Tatars, but a systemic diagnosis and a historical warning of what Russian imperialism is.
MEP Anna Fotyga, former foreign minister of Poland
The Crimean Tatars are but one of numerous peoples who have suffered from Moscow's expansionist policies over the course of three consecutive centuries. Moscow first deprived the Crimean Tatars of their state territories, and then of their statehood on the Crimean Peninsula and the adjacent regions. These territories are currently witnessing fierce battles for Ukrainian independence.. In the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars, along with Poles and Ukrainians, fell into the hands of Russian imperialism, and the first thing Moscow did was strike at the historical memory of these peoples. The blow to the Crimean Tatars was so profound that by the end of the 19th century, they were on the brink of total extinction.
Even the microscopic presence of Crimean Tatars on the Crimean Peninsula was viewed as an existential, ideological, and historical threat for the Kremlin. Putin's words were not accidental when he said that Crimea is a sacred place for all of Russia. However, it is based on historical lies and omits the fact that less than 6 per cent of Crimeas written history belongs to the Russian chapter. This short period of 168 years was fulfilled with genocidal policies of the Russian rulers, because in this strategic location there was no place for the indigenous people under tsarist, Soviet rule and likewise for Putin's and any other chauvinistic regime in Russia. As a result, on May 19, 1944, 80 years ago, Moscow organised a mass deportation of the Crimean Tatar people and several other ethnic groups residing on the peninsula. The entire Crimean Tatar people were squeezed into hundreds of enormous kilometer-long trains and moved eastward to Central Asia over 21 days. It was a deliberate decision to annihilate the people of Crimea and the peoples of the North Caucasus, who were also mass-deported that year. During their exile, the Crimean Tatars lost about half of their population.
Immediately after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, the process of complete historical, cultural, and archaeological annihilation of all Crimean Tatars began. 80 per cent of the Crimean Tatar localities were renamed. It was a deliberate and targeted forgetting of the history of Crimea, which was intertwined with the history of its indigenous people. It was exactly what the term genocide defines. We need to say it loudly: Moscow committed genocide on the Crimean Tatars in 1944. This process continued until the end of the USSR, and even after the fall of the empire and the return of the indigenous people to their homeland. Local authorities and pro-Russian forces in Kyiv actively hindered the restoration of the presence of Crimean Tatars in Crimea. The Crimean Tatars and their representative bodies, the Mejlis and the Qurultay, made their historical choice to support a pro-European and pro-Ukrainian future for Ukrainian statehood in the late 1980s and have essentially never deviated from this course. They believed and believed that only in this way could they ensure the revival of their people on their ancestral land.
In the 2000s, a new historical period of flourishing seemed to begin for the Crimean Tatars. Culture, media, art, and much more were developing. It appeared that the Crimean Tatars were given a second chance for historical and, most importantly, political revival. However, Russian imperialism never sleeps and was preparing an act of aggression against Ukraine and the Crimean Tatars. The annexation and occupation of Crimea again placed the Crimean Tatars on the brink of survival. They forced the political leadership and active and talented youth to leave the peninsula because Moscow and the occupying authorities initiated mass persecution of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars for their refusal to accept the new /old occupying power. Since 2014, Crimea is the epicenter of human rights violations in occupied Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have again found themselves on the brink of an existential challenge, as they did in the late 18th century when they were under the occupation of the Russian Empire. Let me just focus on one case. Server Mustafayev was born in 1986 in Uzbekistan. The family later returned to Crimea, specifically to the city of Bakhchisarai. Server finished school in Bakhchisarai and then enrolled in the Bakhchisarai Construction College at the National Agrarian University. He studied at Kyiv National University, specializing in heat and gas supply and ventilation. Afterward, he worked as a manager in communication shops. In 2014 he started to manage a chain of bakeries. He was also active in the community in Bakhchisarai, organizing childrens parties and social events and helping low-income families. He became the coordinator of the public association "Crimean Solidarity.In May 2018, the occupation authorities searched Mustafayevs house and arrested the activist. Subsequently, the occupation authorities illegally sentenced him to 14 years in prison for participating in the activities of a terrorist organization and preparing for the violent seizure of power. The occupiers convicted Server Mustafayev for defending victims of political persecution and reporting on human rights violations in the occupied Crimea. Despite the harsh conditions of his imprisonment, Server remains an activist and is involved in human rights activitie.: Server helped his cellmate reunite with his child, who was taken from him when he was taken to prison. Due to a long stay in the pre-trial detention center, Mustafayev developed heart problems. A similar fate is shared by more than 200 political prisoners from occupied, majority of of whom are Crimean Tatars.
Since February 2022, with the beginning of full-scale aggression against Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have supported the Ukrainian people in their struggle against the Russian aggressor. The mass emigration of Crimean Tatars from Crimea in the autumn of 2022 to many EU countries and Turkey should be seen as a systemic refusal to serve in the occupying forces and shoot civilians. Some Crimean Tatars remain living in Crimea, where they have been deprived of cultural, political, and historical rights, while others are scattered like beads around the world. The Kremlin effectively favours the soft migration of Crimean Tatars beyond the borders of the Russian Federation and Crimea. The situation in other occupied territories in the Donbas and Zaporizhia region demonstrates that the underlying scheme is chauvinism, characterised by genocide and the destruction of everything non-Russian and dissenting.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/opinion/russia-repeats-genocide-on-crimean-tatars/
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I know many, especially here... are upset about the situation in Ukraine. [View all]
WarGamer
Feb 2025
OP
Not pleasant, but it needs to end. I remember reading here as war started that it would end with Ukraine losing
Silent Type
Feb 2025
#1
Re: "Negotiations MUST include security guarantees from European allies and the US."
Mister Ed
Feb 2025
#2
Yeah, those guarantees aren't worth much. Especially with a Trump (or Vance) administration that tears up treaties
newdeal2
Feb 2025
#8
Not worth much is right..The 1994 Trilateral agreement said the west would protect Ukraine if they gave up
mitch96
Feb 2025
#11
That last sentence is the line being pumped by many Russian bots on Twitter right now,
Emrys
Feb 2025
#47
Groups of Ukrainian nationalists also aided the Nazis rounding up Jews in Ukraine in WW2.
WarGamer
Feb 2025
#53
There were also some Ukrainian nationalists who stood up to the Nazis and saved Jews
Tommy Carcetti
Feb 2025
#116
Huh...Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church! Who knew there was such a thing....
electric_blue68
Feb 2025
#122
THIS! My dad, and His dad (Ukrainian Immigrant) Hated The Soviet Union!
electric_blue68
Feb 2025
#120
So? Then they stopped wearing the same uniform, Ukraine became independent, and Russia invaded a sovereign country.
Scrivener7
Feb 2025
#33
But if the war Funding for Ukraine is stopped, then Most Likely the Whole Ukrainian State will be over run by Putin...
electric_blue68
Feb 2025
#123
"Here's what he's thinking. If he can end up with a Ukraine that's 30% smaller....."
Disaffected
Feb 2025
#4
Diplomatic action has been ongoing since the Budapest agreement in 1994. And it has been a disaster for Ukraine.
Beastly Boy
Feb 2025
#106
Russia lost the Cold war, unfortunately the Russian proletariat lost the peace that followed
Emrys
Feb 2025
#90
That Gish gallop has so many untruths in it that I just can't be bothered to respond,
Emrys
Feb 2025
#5
Exactly. My only remaining question is which side of the horseshoe it is coming from...
W_HAMILTON
Feb 2025
#34
One problem is that so many Ukrainians have been displaced from those areas or killed,
Emrys
Feb 2025
#13
That tends to happen after genocide and when you don't want to be part of it (see bold below)
Emrys
Feb 2025
#91
Ukraine already won the war. Russia will keep winning battles, but they are losing the war.
Beastly Boy
Feb 2025
#20
Beastly..I gotta. Say that your post helps with my depression over this issue..I didn't look at it from that perspective
Deuxcents
Feb 2025
#69
Jake Broe disagrees with you. He still sees a Russian economic or political collapse as more likely
Quixote1818
Feb 2025
#45
The Ukrainians have debunked that theory that Johnson was instrumental in their decision
Emrys
Feb 2025
#76
I've been plain with you about what I find objectionable - it's being categorical and predicting outcomes
Emrys
Feb 2025
#82
I infinitely enjoy interactions on DU... I've learned so much about topics I knew nothing about.
WarGamer
Feb 2025
#86
The "Wishcasting" seems to be going in both directions based on what others are saying about your previous posts
Quixote1818
Feb 2025
#57
I could fill a thread with reputable economists and analysts who've been predicting the same
Emrys
Feb 2025
#54
I didn't think Putin would invade Ukraine... didn't believe that we could see another European WW2 style conflict.
WarGamer
Feb 2025
#75
Or did you cherry-pick an article and post it here to further a pro-Russian narrative?
W_HAMILTON
Feb 2025
#83
Agree... I also think Ukraine will be wildly successful after the war is over.
WarGamer
Feb 2025
#72
What's really upsetting is that Elon Musk is the primary benefactor in all of this.
Initech
Feb 2025
#73
We will have to see if Europe and Nato allow Putin and the Mango Malefactor to dictate the terms of surrender to Ukraine
CentralMass
Feb 2025
#101
Germany delivering 6,000 HX-2 (swarm capable) AI attack drones to Ukraine
Red Mountain
Feb 2025
#107