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Big Blue Marble

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11. This "war" was started a long time ago.

Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:42 PM

Feb 2025

It is far more complicated than Hamas started this war. They started this battle
in a long struggle that has cost both sides. The Palestinian People, the natives of the land,
have truly suffered the most harm over decades.

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Israel brutally killed at least 17,400 children in Gaza. How can anyone defend that? [View all] HereForTheParty Feb 2025 OP

Easy, you just blame it on Hamas. Big Blue Marble Feb 2025 #1

I was gonna say Traildogbob Feb 2025 #27

Thank you malaise Feb 2025 #2

It would have been impossible to bomb around the children. maxsolomon Feb 2025 #3

I've seen many posters defend it on this site Sewa Feb 2025 #4

NOBODY Mossfern Feb 2025 #46

I must have been hallucinating or arguing with myself for 15 months. AloeVera Feb 2025 #93

What bullshit is this? MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #59

In your post denying anyone was defending Israel's bombing of children, you did exactly that. Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #69

Bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #75

Thank-you, that is exactly right. Hamas owns this tragedy. If they didn't do October 7, this would have never happened JohnSJ Feb 2025 #80

And those children would be alive today if Israel has not bombed civilian targets in Gaza. Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #83

I'm curious, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #84

You are not the only person reading this thread. Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #86

With all due respect as a fellow DU'er calguy Feb 2025 #78

Nonsense. Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #81

Why is it when something is said that makes Hamas look bad sarisataka Feb 2025 #5

Retraumatization Bad Thoughts Feb 2025 #7

No. Because we have been hurting for 15 months. AloeVera Feb 2025 #88

The Gazan children should have mattered to Hamas Bad Thoughts Feb 2025 #89

Exactly, thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #91

Gaza's children should matter to everybody. AloeVera Feb 2025 #92

Very telling Mountainguy Feb 2025 #9

Why is it when something is said that makes Israel look bad ratchiweenie Feb 2025 #41

It is easy to say, but is not true sarisataka Feb 2025 #64

Lack of any comments by the OP. Just throwing a flame and then moved to other areas question everything Feb 2025 #68

Strange isn't it. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #60

Strange? No. Expected? Absolutely. n/t Behind the Aegis Feb 2025 #62

Damn it, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #63

LOL! I know. I was adding to your sarcasm, with some of my own... Behind the Aegis Feb 2025 #65

Hamas started the war. Bad Thoughts Feb 2025 #6

This "war" was started a long time ago. Big Blue Marble Feb 2025 #11

On October 6, 2023, there was a ceasefire. Bad Thoughts Feb 2025 #12

Breaking a ceasefire is not starting a war. Big Blue Marble Feb 2025 #13

Gazans have spoken for themselves Bad Thoughts Feb 2025 #15

Your compassion and your ability to process Big Blue Marble Feb 2025 #16

My compassion is fine Bad Thoughts Feb 2025 #18

Are you willing to acknowledge that Israel has culpability in this "war?" Big Blue Marble Feb 2025 #20

Are you willing to acknowledge that the culpability for starting the war is on Hamas? Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #23

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Mountainguy Feb 2025 #99

You think dancing and singing in front of dead kids LeftInTX Feb 2025 #25

Can I find your comments of condemnation somewhere moniss Feb 2025 #29

That's also wrong. But it's OK if Hamas does it? LeftInTX Feb 2025 #30

Did I say that? I have been unequivocal for a very, moniss Feb 2025 #33

No I think it is horrible. Big Blue Marble Feb 2025 #35

Nearly half of the current population hadn't been born yet when "they voted for Hamas". Mariana Feb 2025 #17

Those are fantastic arguments for the all-out destruction of Hamas Orrex Feb 2025 #19

Why stop there? Let's eliminate just one other bullshit rationalization, OK? Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #34

When you violate a cease fire by crossing the international border, massacring 1000 civilians on the other side, Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #22

Well then maybe HAMAs shouldn't have broken a working cease fire MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #61

And Israel was breaking international law by continuing to expand their settlements EdmondDantes_ Feb 2025 #24

In Gaza? Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #36

Israel was caught conducting covert operations in Gaza during moniss Feb 2025 #28

Did any of those alleged covert operations involve taking hostages? Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #37

An argument can be made that covert operations restarted the war. intheflow Feb 2025 #45

That argument cannot be made: the fact is the covert operations didn't restart the war. Hamas attack on Israel did. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #47

Is spying illegal? intheflow Feb 2025 #50

Yes it is. So is jaywalking. Neither constitutes violaion unless it disregards the specific terms of the agreement. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #90

Where do you get the idea spying is a war crime? sarisataka Feb 2025 #49

First, the Hague decision only applies to wartime spying. intheflow Feb 2025 #52

It can be illegal but it is not a "war crime" sarisataka Feb 2025 #53

Fair enough. intheflow Feb 2025 #54

That's not a justification for needlessly trusting BB not to murder uponit7771 Feb 2025 #82

Hamas killed 17,400 kids. Mosby Feb 2025 #8

Hamas killed children in Gaza, not Israel cabotnn22 Feb 2025 #10

A questionnaire n for everyone who recced that post Violet_Crumble Feb 2025 #31

As someone who rec'd the post, I must point out that its premise has been taken completely out of context. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #39

You misspelled Hamas. nt RandomNumbers Feb 2025 #14

The Israel / Hamas conflict needs a good leaving alone here. TomSlick Feb 2025 #21

I think it was Israel's 9/11. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2025 #26

And like 9/11 the response was ultimately crazy. Sneederbunk Feb 2025 #32

I'd argue it was a normal expected response for homo sapiens, not crazy. maxsolomon Feb 2025 #44

Killing babies & children is wrong. H2O Man Feb 2025 #38

IDF: Captors of Bibas children 'brutally murdered them with their bare hands' question everything Feb 2025 #42

Question Everything... unless it comes from IDF's spokespeople. intheflow Feb 2025 #48

Did you bother to read? Yes, IDF spokespeople. And their father was notified and saw the unspeakable question everything Feb 2025 #51

Hamas videotaped the father getting the news that his kids were murdered Arazi Feb 2025 #56

The bodies have indeed been seen. madaboutharry Feb 2025 #57

"Mutilated to cover up their crime" is what I read. AloeVera Feb 2025 #96

Their father, Yarden Bibas, has verified the findings. madaboutharry Feb 2025 #97

I see. AloeVera Feb 2025 #98

We're getting into Jeffrey Dahmer territory now. Mosby Feb 2025 #66

Any person of basic decency cannot. However, the AIPAC type peoples, the Fundies and MAGAs accept any talking point to artemisia1 Feb 2025 #40

AIPAC type people? madaboutharry Feb 2025 #58

Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #94

The definition of The Dual Loyalty Canard. madaboutharry Feb 2025 #95

Take it outside. artemisia1 Feb 2025 #101

Hamas started a war it knew it couldn't win and hid behind civilians Jose Garcia Feb 2025 #43

Wait till you hear how many kids died in WWII.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2025 #55

Curious why the OP just threw a flaming comment, and never bothered to respond question everything Feb 2025 #67

Are the Bibas children innocent? People want to know. Mosby Feb 2025 #70

Oh the fucking goddamned irony. Behind the Aegis Feb 2025 #71

I have to wonder, if these were Jewish trans kids sarisataka Feb 2025 #77

Repulsive cabotnn22 Feb 2025 #87

This sums up my feelings. Mosby Feb 2025 #72

May those who supported the Palestinians be haunted forever Mosby Feb 2025 #73

They celebrated killing little babies. Mosby Feb 2025 #74

To paraphrase Shakespeare: A Pox upon both your Houses! no_hypocrisy Feb 2025 #76

Palestinians get paid to murder, up to 40K per year. Mosby Feb 2025 #79

I haven't seen anyone defending that on DU. Progressive dog Feb 2025 #85

How can anyone refer to Hamas as freedom fighters? nt LexVegas Feb 2025 #100

These IDF soldiers served in Gaza and the West Bank. I do not doubt their patriotism or their love of Israel. C0RI0LANUS Feb 2025 #102

Thank you for your post. David__77 Feb 2025 #103