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mr715

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1. "Cave"

Reply to HarryM (Original post)

Tue Mar 4, 2025, 12:31 PM

Mar 2025

He is going to act in the interests of his countrymen. He is less interested in our internal politics. This isn't about him "caving" or the person of Trump at all. This is about a head of state acting like a head of state and engaging in diplomacy.

Framing this as Minister Zelenskyy "caving to Trump" is needlessly inflammatory.

He is caving to the same extent that he did when he effectively said WTF to the "perfect phone call".

Let's not assign our political valance to a somewhat independent sphere of experience.

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Zelenskyy may give in to Mango Mussolini [View all] HarryM Mar 2025 OP

"Cave" mr715 Mar 2025 #1

I am sorry that you find it inflammatory. HarryM Mar 2025 #5

You're A Kind Soul Y'all! MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #7

You don't know me. HarryM Mar 2025 #8

Lol... Actions Speak Louder Than Words... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #14

He knows Trump will not guarantee anything Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2025 #28

Even Then The Only Guarantee Is That Everyone With Him Is Being Thrown Under A Bus MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #30

I appreciate the sentiment mr715 Mar 2025 #9

Agreed. Zelensky Has Ukraine's Interests At The Forefront Of All Negotiations MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #6

Doesn't look like a cave to me. He's still taking about security guarantees. unblock Mar 2025 #2

He was being attacked for not wanting peace HarryM Mar 2025 #15

Poor choice (IMHO) DemMedic Mar 2025 #3

Thank's Harry! How're Things Over In The Netherlands? MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #4

Here in the Netherlands HarryM Mar 2025 #13

BBC Link to live video. HarryM Mar 2025 #10

I don't think we need to adopt the a BBC newscaster's lazy throwaway framing here on DU. Emrys Mar 2025 #36

Smart move IMO BeyondGeography Mar 2025 #11

Europe needs to be at the table. roamer65 Mar 2025 #12

It's harsh but the reality is Zelenskyy is not getting any security guarantees. Nulock Mar 2025 #16

Yeah, The US will not be dumping any more money to Ukraine HarryM Mar 2025 #18

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #23

Quite the assertion. Torchlight Mar 2025 #31

Post now deleted to comply with forum rules. n/t Emrys Mar 2025 #34

The powers that met in Downing Street at the weekend would beg to differ, so I'd delay crowing if I were you n/t Emrys Mar 2025 #19

It's another prong of the strategy they worked out at the leaders' summit Emrys Mar 2025 #17

The only funhy part of the "minerals deal" misanthrope Mar 2025 #24

Yeah, the first eventual step would be to conduct modern surveys of what's where, never mind how much Emrys Mar 2025 #33

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE REPOST THE UKRANIAN EMBASSY EMAIL ADDRESS Karadeniz Mar 2025 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author HarryM Mar 2025 #21

Google is your friend here HarryM Mar 2025 #22

Krasnov is being out-negotiated superpatriotman Mar 2025 #25

An air and sea truce Mountainguy Mar 2025 #26

President Z...... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #27

I hope not.... Bread and Circuses Mar 2025 #29

Perhaps if you read the details about what he's signing on to... stillcool Mar 2025 #32

Yep. Emrys Mar 2025 #35

yeah...something else interesting stillcool Mar 2025 #37

He's saying... lame54 Mar 2025 #38

In the aftermath of Friday's Oval Office debacle, Team Trump apparently expects Volodymyr Zelenskyy to beg for forgivene LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #39

I don't see it as "caving" at all mcar Mar 2025 #40