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Mountainguy

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109. The millions Republicans spend

Thu Mar 6, 2025, 01:48 PM

Mar 2025

Attacking democrats on the issue.

And that money is working to both win elections and shape public opinion.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/26/americans-have-grown-more-supportive-of-restrictions-for-trans-people-in-recent-years/

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Gavin Newsom breaks with Democrats on trans athletes in sports [View all] madville Mar 2025 OP

Guess he's running in 28 SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #1

A NYT/Ipsos poll in January found 67 percent of Dems believed transgender women shouldn't compete against other women. Celerity Mar 2025 #208

I didn't realize that civil rights were subject to majority opinion AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #212

Tell that to Newsom and the Dem voters in our party who agree with him. Plus the NCAA. The Rethugs will exploit it Celerity Mar 2025 #222

There are only so many 80/20 issues you can be on the wrong side of and still be a viable kelly1mm Mar 2025 #227

Hey at least DU is reminding me why I've been scarce since the election AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #228

Being for Civil Rights of transgender people as well as all people is not on the wrong side Quiet Em Mar 2025 #235

Gov Newsom is of the opinion that the most effective GOP ad against VP Harris was the 'transgender prisoners' kelly1mm Mar 2025 #236

Well, he's right that bigotry against transgender people worked on many voters Quiet Em Mar 2025 #239

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Cool story AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #271

Newsom is my Governor and that's fine, but I sure as hell am not in favor of him as our nominee for President if there JohnSJ Mar 2025 #2

He does but he is also a hard fighter for us. Fights like a Republican. travelingthrulife Mar 2025 #4

Yes, he walks the walk, but it is a mixed record on delivering. He sure isn't a Jerry Brown. Regardless, I just think JohnSJ Mar 2025 #8

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Well, he backed down on this one. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #32

Attacking a vulnerable minority certainly is fighting like a Republican AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #171

There was an election in 2024 SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #19

Totally agree. I don't see him winning the EC. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #29

I don't understand why we can't just leave this up to the individual school districts and the sports leagues Walleye Mar 2025 #3

This is the correct way to handle it Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #6

I worry about the girls who don't appear feminine enough for these people Walleye Mar 2025 #41

I do too Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #51

It's totally prejudice. They took issue with Brittany Greiner, who has many pictures of herself in the yearbook playing Walleye Mar 2025 #55

One of the biggest things that drove me to come out last summer... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #203

Many female athletes have no problem with trans women being part of their sport Iris Mar 2025 #207

To be fair, there's some women too AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #292

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It has become a big issue as it is a winning issue for Republicans. Ace Rothstein Mar 2025 #16

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Democrats didn't push this issue. That's the Republican story. They're the ones who get freaked out. Walleye Mar 2025 #45

They know a winning culture war issue when they see it. Democrats at best counter with 'it's complicated'. nt kelly1mm Mar 2025 #58

And they make a dirty word out of our slogans Walleye Mar 2025 #92

Plus, A Scientific RobinA Mar 2025 #126

Oh I agree! Democrats will drone on and on about the science and how it is complicated, which it is. However kelly1mm Mar 2025 #137

It's bait for Democrats. Ace Rothstein Mar 2025 #74

I think that's more like it Walleye Mar 2025 #87

Republicans did the same with same sex marriage right up until suddenly it didn't work EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #166

I agree but I doubt that solution would be popular with those who disagree with Newsom. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #24

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Why would Newsome even do this Republicans? Don't like him they never will. Walleye Mar 2025 #46

It might have something to do with the information contained in Post 17 BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #53

This Makes Me Laugh RobinA Mar 2025 #119

The Right used this as a wedge issue last fall before the election. Omnipresent Mar 2025 #153

Yes, they are all like that. It really is like an old sci-fi movie. Walleye Mar 2025 #174

Thank you! mjvpi Mar 2025 #187

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I also agree calguy Mar 2025 #42

I'm not OK with Republicans treating our congresswoman like shit because she's transgender Walleye Mar 2025 #48

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I agree with all that. But they are also insulting democracy, and the whole state of Delaware, which voted her in. Walleye Mar 2025 #57

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I keep remembering a line from a Sherlock Holmes story Walleye Mar 2025 #60

People should remember a Republicans were totally against equal funding for girls sports when title nine was implemented Walleye Mar 2025 #47

and women's rights issues were 'unwinnable'. nt. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #82

Exactly Walleye Mar 2025 #85

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I understand your point. But GOP were able to take issue and make it seem like dems dont agree that make female bodies Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #90

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What is Gavin right about? Patton French Mar 2025 #99

Per EarlG,advocating for banning trans women from women's sports Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #105

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If he visits DU, Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #111

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Yes. Did you follow the link? Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #133

But recognizing that advocating for Trans rights can hurt the chances of Democratic election victories on a totodeinhere Mar 2025 #183

There is a difference between choosing which of many issues Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #192

All civil rights issues like this are initially 'unwinnable' Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #79

I agree. alarimer Mar 2025 #134

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Agree nt Quixote1818 Mar 2025 #157

I've said before Democrats weren't really prepared for the complexities of the issue, and got hornswoggled by rightwing. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #7

The right wing also had people convinced that Democrats want to perform abortion after birth. They don't care how stupid Walleye Mar 2025 #50

Is this the centrists view? Emile Mar 2025 #10

The centrist view is Johonny Mar 2025 #14

I don't think they believe trans men exist. They are offended by the idea that a man would want to be a woman. Walleye Mar 2025 #52

Trans men in men's sports would not be perceived as having a hormonal advantage in sports. LeftInTX Mar 2025 #103

Some states are pretty consistent with their anti-trans views. Mosby Mar 2025 #287

This AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #215

Trans Men RobinA Mar 2025 #130

I struggle with this Melon Mar 2025 #285

This is the right-wing view. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #26

What's with him the past few days? SheltieLover Mar 2025 #11

Dont take the bait! cilla4progress Mar 2025 #12

Seems like his friendship with Charlie Kirk is paying off UpInArms Mar 2025 #13

From NYT/Ipsos TheProle Mar 2025 #17

This The Revolution Mar 2025 #18

It provides context for the notion that he is "breaking with Democrats" on this issue TheProle Mar 2025 #20

Almost all Democrats in Congress and Democratic governors are in favor of Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #40

Which begs the question whether they are reflecting the attitudes of their constituents TheProle Mar 2025 #44

The issue to prohibit trans women from sports is close to the line of gender discrimination AZProgressive Mar 2025 #107

If these transphobes would just come out and say they don't think trans women are women AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #168

Do believe that Governor Newsome is Transphobic? Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #185

He doesn't support womens' rights to compete in sports with their gender AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #186

I'm not too sure how clear the law is on this issue Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #184

Sounds like a delegate vs. trustee issue Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #180

Thanks for posting BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #22

Just like that, toss the good wait for the perfect. IA8IT Mar 2025 #21

Were you supporting your governor taking away my rights this week? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #169

Choice of Newsom or Reynolds? Newsom every damn day. IA8IT Mar 2025 #204

In what way did Gov. Newsom "take away" your rights? Or did he just express himself awkwardly ... Hekate Mar 2025 #288

Which Democrats is he breaking with? Sounds like a position firmly in the mainstream of the Democratic Party. tritsofme Mar 2025 #27

Ugh! Beyond disappointing. ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #28

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I'm sorry but I'm willing to die on a hill... ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #35

Well, you certainly died on that hill last November calguy Mar 2025 #49

Prediction: He won't be the only 2028 candidate that stakes out a position on this that DUers don't agree with. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #33

And I will be happy to oppose them in the primary. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #36

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Speaking as the parent of a high school trans girl, unblock Mar 2025 #37

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I would think that the tiny number affected are Trans Women athletes AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #110

Wonder when people are going to be able to spell his name correctly ? n'/t MichMan Mar 2025 #39

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The party has to be taken over by AOC and Bernie. It has no hope, especially with Americans distrusting the party... DSandra Mar 2025 #88

I hope that means he's running! get the red out Mar 2025 #61

You can't take the 20% Mountainguy Mar 2025 #62

Or, you can avoid the issue altogether. Or, focus entirely on populist progressive issues. Yavin4 Mar 2025 #69

Its going to be an issue Mountainguy Mar 2025 #75

How many people in all of America are impacted by this issue vs. How many people are impacted by rising rents? Yavin4 Mar 2025 #84

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Show me the data that says that she lost because of that ad. Yavin4 Mar 2025 #96

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Literally everyone with a daughter Mountainguy Mar 2025 #101

Where's the evidence? Yavin4 Mar 2025 #102

The millions Republicans spend Mountainguy Mar 2025 #109

Massive number of transphobic bigots AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #165

And there is the massivd oversimplification Mountainguy Mar 2025 #243

There are a total of 8 transgender athletes participating in college sports. Quiet Em Mar 2025 #63

AMEN!!!! Yavin4 Mar 2025 #72

Thank you SARose Mar 2025 #98

When the fuck did anyone care about Shaquille O'Neal or Michael Phelps having an unfair advantage in sports? DSandra Mar 2025 #142

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And there are a lot of bigots here willing to go along with the Republicans on this issue AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #114

What coed sports are in K12? BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #141

In my area kids play co-ed youth soccer. Quiet Em Mar 2025 #145

Ah okay, that makes sense. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #146

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That ad played constantly on NC. yardwork Mar 2025 #64

It also played extensively during football games. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #68

The fundemental question is: Why do Women and Men compete seperately? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2025 #67

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Most all major Women's basketball teams practice against male players MichMan Mar 2025 #175

The sports issue is the problem. yardwork Mar 2025 #97

Yep LeftInTX Mar 2025 #120

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No wonder why California hasn't said anything about protecting trans people... Doublecrossing Newsom DSandra Mar 2025 #81

At least we know the first group he'll sacrifice to win Blue_Adept Mar 2025 #95

Newsom...under the bus! nt LexVegas Mar 2025 #100

Transgender folx.... Under the bus! AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #205

There are international doping rules to address this .. JT45242 Mar 2025 #104

Oh that's interesting. I have no knowledge of hormone levels due to puberty blockers. LeftInTX Mar 2025 #117

Yep -- she is a very talented runner and my Brother in law was talking to me about the numbers and rules JT45242 Mar 2025 #193

Seriously? I won't vote for anyone more concerned about their political future... Blasphemer Mar 2025 #106

Newsom's discussion with Kirk was awful and way worse than just breaking with Dems on this issue. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #112

Erin Reed is a must read for trans issues nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #245

If 70 percent of Democrats agree with Newsom (See Post 17) is he breaking with them? BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #113

It wasn't even 20 years ago that was the number for marriage equality. Blue_Adept Mar 2025 #115

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Thanks for the data. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #122

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Official DU policy is that XY persons who identify as female must be allowed to play XX sports AZJonnie Mar 2025 #118

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This. So much this. ZRB Mar 2025 #161

Aww, you can't be a transphobe.. AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #164

I'm under the impression that the avenue for questions about the TOS is the 'Ask The Administrators' forum AZJonnie Mar 2025 #167

Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Mar 2025 #176

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I don't fully understand every intricacy of the rule nor am I telling anyone what to think or do AZJonnie Mar 2025 #223

This is exactly why he started a podcast stoned Mar 2025 #124

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Vivek may be the next gov of Ohio stoned Mar 2025 #135

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He lost me MustLoveBeagles Mar 2025 #132

Thyere are a lot of "Democrats" in this thread who disagree, sadly... NT AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #143

And according to post 17, a lot of Dems outside DU, as well. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #147

Your point? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #149

My point is that if he runs in 2028 it's unlikely that his stance on this issue hurts him. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #150

So you support being a bigot to get votes? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #151

Bigot by your definition ZRB Mar 2025 #162

You don't think denying rights to a group of people is bigotry? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #163

I'm not advocating against trans rights in any fashion ZRB Mar 2025 #194

But they are advocating taking away rights AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #195

You really think Gavin Newsom is against that personally? ZRB Mar 2025 #197

I'm going by what he said to a right-wing provacateur he had on his podcast AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #199

He is standing up for them ZRB Mar 2025 #200

I lost the right to travel under my correct passport because of these bigots AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #201

Seems like he is limiting this to the sports issue ZRB Mar 2025 #206

I said what I said AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #209

Glad you're not a Democratic consultant ZRB Mar 2025 #211

Enjoy your rights while you still have them AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #213

Keep calling our voters bigots ZRB Mar 2025 #214

Are you going to "Not all men" this argument? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #217

ZRB's Profile Abolishinist Mar 2025 #221

They've been here for 20 years BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #232

Yeah check my joined year. ZRB Mar 2025 #240

Well done standing up for yourself. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #230

I support winning elections. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #231

And throwing minorities under the bus to do it AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #233

You'll have the opportunity to vote against him if he runs. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #234

No one here or in the Democratic party are throwing minorities under the bus ZRB Mar 2025 #247

That's funny, because this whole thread is about a Democratic leader throwing a minority under the bus AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #248

I don't think that's the case at all. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #256

What other group is losing rights? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #258

Plenty of people are losing their rights in this admin. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #259

Sorry you are offended by people standing up for the margjnalized AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #260

Offended isn't the word I'm thinking of. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #261

What, pray tell is it? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #262

I'm going to hold on to that one. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #263

I didn't realize standing up for minority rights was bullying AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #264

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Gavin is playing both sides, He's running for president. BigMike2028 Mar 2025 #140

I didn't realize the Dems had a coherent position on transgender people and athletics Redleg Mar 2025 #152

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Good point. They characterize Dems have having an extreme position Redleg Mar 2025 #158

Maybe the closest thing there was to such a thing was issued by Biden's Dept of Education Civil Rights Division AZJonnie Mar 2025 #219

I think... Mike Nelson Mar 2025 #155

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Republicans are the ones focused on pronouns AZProgressive Mar 2025 #170

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Go to the back of the bus, gotcha AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #198

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Interesting enough, major Chess tournaments are separated by gender MichMan Mar 2025 #179

I've got a pretty good idea... NT AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #182

Rec x 1000 ZRB Mar 2025 #241

It's impossible to tell who is sincere on this issue. Oneironaut Mar 2025 #172

Does it matter really? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #173

Kirk ambushes college kids, who have not thought through the issue deeply, get caught in verbal traps. Kirk's a jerk. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #224

I'm convinced he was the inspiration for the masturbating Nazi kid in Knives Out nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #269

"If that's what it takes to win..." Torchlight Mar 2025 #177

That Post Removed person sure seems to be interested in this thread. rzemanfl Mar 2025 #178

There's a Name Removed and a Post Removed AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #188

I see at least four Post Removed items as well as a bunch of Name Removed. rzemanfl Mar 2025 #189

These threads piss me off, but they do tend to clear out some of the bigots AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #191

"What's for dinner?" Democrats. live love laugh Mar 2025 #202

Why is he doing any of this? Amanita Galatica Mar 2025 #210

My governor has been solid, very solid, on the issues. I watch his progress with interest. Hekate Mar 2025 #226

It is a big tent Amanita Galatica Mar 2025 #286

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Which Democrats is he breaking with on this ? I haven't seen anyone that is JI7 Mar 2025 #218

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More precisely, he actually said it in in front of the whole world in the podcast he did with Charlie Kirk AZJonnie Mar 2025 #229

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Yes, and you've come to the right place AZJonnie Mar 2025 #244

Newsom is playing the game. stoned Mar 2025 #225

What game involves pandering to the alt-right? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #246

You must feel strongly about this issue. Half the non-deleted posts belong to you. PeaceWave Mar 2025 #249

Well, having rights taken away can do that AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #251

I don't think he's pandering to the right stoned Mar 2025 #284

All I can say is that this is just WEIRD. Lulu KC Mar 2025 #242

Totally ceding ground on an issue ibegurpard Mar 2025 #250

He's pissed all the tech bros are moving to Texas AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #252

70 percent of Dems agree with Newsom BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #266

I don't care ibegurpard Mar 2025 #267

I would feel better if the candidate was closer to 100% Emile Mar 2025 #279

No candidate ever gets 100 percent of the vote. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #280

That's why I said closer to 100% Emile Mar 2025 #281

If our nominee is some center or center/right candidate, we're screwed. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2025 #253

If we ForgedCrank Mar 2025 #254

Agree, and I *do* care about women's sports GenThePerservering Mar 2025 #272

I love ForgedCrank Mar 2025 #274

Well i know who im not voting for vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #255

I can't believe so many DUers agree with Charlie Kirk AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #268

Yep vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #273

You and me both BootOutTheGoons Mar 2025 #275

This is the most I've posted since the election AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #277

I agree vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #282

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Seperate but equal, eh? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #291

Thanks for nothing Gavin BootOutTheGoons Mar 2025 #276

It is sad, disappointing, and more than a little gross to see Dems turn on marginalized groups Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2025 #278

They let the narrative be controlled vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #283

And to do it while repeating Trump and Turning Point talking points AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #290

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Enough EarlG Mar 2025 #293