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276. Thanks for nothing Gavin

Thu Mar 6, 2025, 10:18 PM

Mar 2025

Meanwhile it's been stomach turning to watch the usual frenzy of transphobia and hate in this thread from the usual suspects. After all if there is anything DU hates more than Trump it's trans people

So many here don't fucking care and don't hide it. The election is our fault. We're not worth fighting for. We're a losing issue. So what if a few million weirdos die? We're being selfish wanting to live and have equality!

And funny how it's us that have to give shit up. Never straight cisgender people who have to sacrifice shit. Just us LGBTQ loses

The replies in this thread are why many of us feel like the only friends we have are each other

Thanks a million as usual DU. Because somehow "fuck off and die" is supposed to be better coming from you than from MAGA

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Gavin Newsom breaks with Democrats on trans athletes in sports [View all] madville Mar 2025 OP

Guess he's running in 28 SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #1

A NYT/Ipsos poll in January found 67 percent of Dems believed transgender women shouldn't compete against other women. Celerity Mar 2025 #208

I didn't realize that civil rights were subject to majority opinion AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #212

Tell that to Newsom and the Dem voters in our party who agree with him. Plus the NCAA. The Rethugs will exploit it Celerity Mar 2025 #222

There are only so many 80/20 issues you can be on the wrong side of and still be a viable kelly1mm Mar 2025 #227

Hey at least DU is reminding me why I've been scarce since the election AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #228

Being for Civil Rights of transgender people as well as all people is not on the wrong side Quiet Em Mar 2025 #235

Gov Newsom is of the opinion that the most effective GOP ad against VP Harris was the 'transgender prisoners' kelly1mm Mar 2025 #236

Well, he's right that bigotry against transgender people worked on many voters Quiet Em Mar 2025 #239

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Cool story AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #271

Newsom is my Governor and that's fine, but I sure as hell am not in favor of him as our nominee for President if there JohnSJ Mar 2025 #2

He does but he is also a hard fighter for us. Fights like a Republican. travelingthrulife Mar 2025 #4

Yes, he walks the walk, but it is a mixed record on delivering. He sure isn't a Jerry Brown. Regardless, I just think JohnSJ Mar 2025 #8

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Well, he backed down on this one. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #32

Attacking a vulnerable minority certainly is fighting like a Republican AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #171

There was an election in 2024 SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #19

Totally agree. I don't see him winning the EC. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #29

I don't understand why we can't just leave this up to the individual school districts and the sports leagues Walleye Mar 2025 #3

This is the correct way to handle it Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #6

I worry about the girls who don't appear feminine enough for these people Walleye Mar 2025 #41

I do too Johnny2X2X Mar 2025 #51

It's totally prejudice. They took issue with Brittany Greiner, who has many pictures of herself in the yearbook playing Walleye Mar 2025 #55

One of the biggest things that drove me to come out last summer... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #203

Many female athletes have no problem with trans women being part of their sport Iris Mar 2025 #207

To be fair, there's some women too AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #292

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It has become a big issue as it is a winning issue for Republicans. Ace Rothstein Mar 2025 #16

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Democrats didn't push this issue. That's the Republican story. They're the ones who get freaked out. Walleye Mar 2025 #45

They know a winning culture war issue when they see it. Democrats at best counter with 'it's complicated'. nt kelly1mm Mar 2025 #58

And they make a dirty word out of our slogans Walleye Mar 2025 #92

Plus, A Scientific RobinA Mar 2025 #126

Oh I agree! Democrats will drone on and on about the science and how it is complicated, which it is. However kelly1mm Mar 2025 #137

It's bait for Democrats. Ace Rothstein Mar 2025 #74

I think that's more like it Walleye Mar 2025 #87

Republicans did the same with same sex marriage right up until suddenly it didn't work EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #166

I agree but I doubt that solution would be popular with those who disagree with Newsom. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #24

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Why would Newsome even do this Republicans? Don't like him they never will. Walleye Mar 2025 #46

It might have something to do with the information contained in Post 17 BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #53

This Makes Me Laugh RobinA Mar 2025 #119

The Right used this as a wedge issue last fall before the election. Omnipresent Mar 2025 #153

Yes, they are all like that. It really is like an old sci-fi movie. Walleye Mar 2025 #174

Thank you! mjvpi Mar 2025 #187

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I also agree calguy Mar 2025 #42

I'm not OK with Republicans treating our congresswoman like shit because she's transgender Walleye Mar 2025 #48

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I agree with all that. But they are also insulting democracy, and the whole state of Delaware, which voted her in. Walleye Mar 2025 #57

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I keep remembering a line from a Sherlock Holmes story Walleye Mar 2025 #60

People should remember a Republicans were totally against equal funding for girls sports when title nine was implemented Walleye Mar 2025 #47

and women's rights issues were 'unwinnable'. nt. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #82

Exactly Walleye Mar 2025 #85

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I understand your point. But GOP were able to take issue and make it seem like dems dont agree that make female bodies Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #90

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What is Gavin right about? Patton French Mar 2025 #99

Per EarlG,advocating for banning trans women from women's sports Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #105

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If he visits DU, Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #111

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Yes. Did you follow the link? Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #133

But recognizing that advocating for Trans rights can hurt the chances of Democratic election victories on a totodeinhere Mar 2025 #183

There is a difference between choosing which of many issues Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #192

All civil rights issues like this are initially 'unwinnable' Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #79

I agree. alarimer Mar 2025 #134

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Agree nt Quixote1818 Mar 2025 #157

I've said before Democrats weren't really prepared for the complexities of the issue, and got hornswoggled by rightwing. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #7

The right wing also had people convinced that Democrats want to perform abortion after birth. They don't care how stupid Walleye Mar 2025 #50

Is this the centrists view? Emile Mar 2025 #10

The centrist view is Johonny Mar 2025 #14

I don't think they believe trans men exist. They are offended by the idea that a man would want to be a woman. Walleye Mar 2025 #52

Trans men in men's sports would not be perceived as having a hormonal advantage in sports. LeftInTX Mar 2025 #103

Some states are pretty consistent with their anti-trans views. Mosby Mar 2025 #287

This AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #215

Trans Men RobinA Mar 2025 #130

I struggle with this Melon Mar 2025 #285

This is the right-wing view. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #26

What's with him the past few days? SheltieLover Mar 2025 #11

Dont take the bait! cilla4progress Mar 2025 #12

Seems like his friendship with Charlie Kirk is paying off UpInArms Mar 2025 #13

From NYT/Ipsos TheProle Mar 2025 #17

This The Revolution Mar 2025 #18

It provides context for the notion that he is "breaking with Democrats" on this issue TheProle Mar 2025 #20

Almost all Democrats in Congress and Democratic governors are in favor of Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #40

Which begs the question whether they are reflecting the attitudes of their constituents TheProle Mar 2025 #44

The issue to prohibit trans women from sports is close to the line of gender discrimination AZProgressive Mar 2025 #107

If these transphobes would just come out and say they don't think trans women are women AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #168

Do believe that Governor Newsome is Transphobic? Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #185

He doesn't support womens' rights to compete in sports with their gender AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #186

I'm not too sure how clear the law is on this issue Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #184

Sounds like a delegate vs. trustee issue Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #180

Thanks for posting BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #22

Just like that, toss the good wait for the perfect. IA8IT Mar 2025 #21

Were you supporting your governor taking away my rights this week? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #169

Choice of Newsom or Reynolds? Newsom every damn day. IA8IT Mar 2025 #204

In what way did Gov. Newsom "take away" your rights? Or did he just express himself awkwardly ... Hekate Mar 2025 #288

Which Democrats is he breaking with? Sounds like a position firmly in the mainstream of the Democratic Party. tritsofme Mar 2025 #27

Ugh! Beyond disappointing. ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #28

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I'm sorry but I'm willing to die on a hill... ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #35

Well, you certainly died on that hill last November calguy Mar 2025 #49

Prediction: He won't be the only 2028 candidate that stakes out a position on this that DUers don't agree with. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #33

And I will be happy to oppose them in the primary. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #36

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Speaking as the parent of a high school trans girl, unblock Mar 2025 #37

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I would think that the tiny number affected are Trans Women athletes AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #110

Wonder when people are going to be able to spell his name correctly ? n'/t MichMan Mar 2025 #39

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The party has to be taken over by AOC and Bernie. It has no hope, especially with Americans distrusting the party... DSandra Mar 2025 #88

I hope that means he's running! get the red out Mar 2025 #61

You can't take the 20% Mountainguy Mar 2025 #62

Or, you can avoid the issue altogether. Or, focus entirely on populist progressive issues. Yavin4 Mar 2025 #69

Its going to be an issue Mountainguy Mar 2025 #75

How many people in all of America are impacted by this issue vs. How many people are impacted by rising rents? Yavin4 Mar 2025 #84

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Show me the data that says that she lost because of that ad. Yavin4 Mar 2025 #96

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Literally everyone with a daughter Mountainguy Mar 2025 #101

Where's the evidence? Yavin4 Mar 2025 #102

The millions Republicans spend Mountainguy Mar 2025 #109

Massive number of transphobic bigots AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #165

And there is the massivd oversimplification Mountainguy Mar 2025 #243

There are a total of 8 transgender athletes participating in college sports. Quiet Em Mar 2025 #63

AMEN!!!! Yavin4 Mar 2025 #72

Thank you SARose Mar 2025 #98

When the fuck did anyone care about Shaquille O'Neal or Michael Phelps having an unfair advantage in sports? DSandra Mar 2025 #142

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And there are a lot of bigots here willing to go along with the Republicans on this issue AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #114

What coed sports are in K12? BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #141

In my area kids play co-ed youth soccer. Quiet Em Mar 2025 #145

Ah okay, that makes sense. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #146

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That ad played constantly on NC. yardwork Mar 2025 #64

It also played extensively during football games. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #68

The fundemental question is: Why do Women and Men compete seperately? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2025 #67

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Most all major Women's basketball teams practice against male players MichMan Mar 2025 #175

The sports issue is the problem. yardwork Mar 2025 #97

Yep LeftInTX Mar 2025 #120

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No wonder why California hasn't said anything about protecting trans people... Doublecrossing Newsom DSandra Mar 2025 #81

At least we know the first group he'll sacrifice to win Blue_Adept Mar 2025 #95

Newsom...under the bus! nt LexVegas Mar 2025 #100

Transgender folx.... Under the bus! AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #205

There are international doping rules to address this .. JT45242 Mar 2025 #104

Oh that's interesting. I have no knowledge of hormone levels due to puberty blockers. LeftInTX Mar 2025 #117

Yep -- she is a very talented runner and my Brother in law was talking to me about the numbers and rules JT45242 Mar 2025 #193

Seriously? I won't vote for anyone more concerned about their political future... Blasphemer Mar 2025 #106

Newsom's discussion with Kirk was awful and way worse than just breaking with Dems on this issue. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #112

Erin Reed is a must read for trans issues nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #245

If 70 percent of Democrats agree with Newsom (See Post 17) is he breaking with them? BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #113

It wasn't even 20 years ago that was the number for marriage equality. Blue_Adept Mar 2025 #115

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Thanks for the data. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #122

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Official DU policy is that XY persons who identify as female must be allowed to play XX sports AZJonnie Mar 2025 #118

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This. So much this. ZRB Mar 2025 #161

Aww, you can't be a transphobe.. AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #164

I'm under the impression that the avenue for questions about the TOS is the 'Ask The Administrators' forum AZJonnie Mar 2025 #167

Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Mar 2025 #176

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I don't fully understand every intricacy of the rule nor am I telling anyone what to think or do AZJonnie Mar 2025 #223

This is exactly why he started a podcast stoned Mar 2025 #124

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Vivek may be the next gov of Ohio stoned Mar 2025 #135

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He lost me MustLoveBeagles Mar 2025 #132

Thyere are a lot of "Democrats" in this thread who disagree, sadly... NT AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #143

And according to post 17, a lot of Dems outside DU, as well. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #147

Your point? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #149

My point is that if he runs in 2028 it's unlikely that his stance on this issue hurts him. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #150

So you support being a bigot to get votes? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #151

Bigot by your definition ZRB Mar 2025 #162

You don't think denying rights to a group of people is bigotry? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #163

I'm not advocating against trans rights in any fashion ZRB Mar 2025 #194

But they are advocating taking away rights AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #195

You really think Gavin Newsom is against that personally? ZRB Mar 2025 #197

I'm going by what he said to a right-wing provacateur he had on his podcast AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #199

He is standing up for them ZRB Mar 2025 #200

I lost the right to travel under my correct passport because of these bigots AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #201

Seems like he is limiting this to the sports issue ZRB Mar 2025 #206

I said what I said AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #209

Glad you're not a Democratic consultant ZRB Mar 2025 #211

Enjoy your rights while you still have them AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #213

Keep calling our voters bigots ZRB Mar 2025 #214

Are you going to "Not all men" this argument? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #217

ZRB's Profile Abolishinist Mar 2025 #221

They've been here for 20 years BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #232

Yeah check my joined year. ZRB Mar 2025 #240

Well done standing up for yourself. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #230

I support winning elections. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #231

And throwing minorities under the bus to do it AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #233

You'll have the opportunity to vote against him if he runs. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #234

No one here or in the Democratic party are throwing minorities under the bus ZRB Mar 2025 #247

That's funny, because this whole thread is about a Democratic leader throwing a minority under the bus AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #248

I don't think that's the case at all. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #256

What other group is losing rights? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #258

Plenty of people are losing their rights in this admin. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #259

Sorry you are offended by people standing up for the margjnalized AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #260

Offended isn't the word I'm thinking of. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #261

What, pray tell is it? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #262

I'm going to hold on to that one. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #263

I didn't realize standing up for minority rights was bullying AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #264

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Gavin is playing both sides, He's running for president. BigMike2028 Mar 2025 #140

I didn't realize the Dems had a coherent position on transgender people and athletics Redleg Mar 2025 #152

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Good point. They characterize Dems have having an extreme position Redleg Mar 2025 #158

Maybe the closest thing there was to such a thing was issued by Biden's Dept of Education Civil Rights Division AZJonnie Mar 2025 #219

I think... Mike Nelson Mar 2025 #155

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Republicans are the ones focused on pronouns AZProgressive Mar 2025 #170

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Go to the back of the bus, gotcha AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #198

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Interesting enough, major Chess tournaments are separated by gender MichMan Mar 2025 #179

I've got a pretty good idea... NT AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #182

Rec x 1000 ZRB Mar 2025 #241

It's impossible to tell who is sincere on this issue. Oneironaut Mar 2025 #172

Does it matter really? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #173

Kirk ambushes college kids, who have not thought through the issue deeply, get caught in verbal traps. Kirk's a jerk. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #224

I'm convinced he was the inspiration for the masturbating Nazi kid in Knives Out nt AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #269

"If that's what it takes to win..." Torchlight Mar 2025 #177

That Post Removed person sure seems to be interested in this thread. rzemanfl Mar 2025 #178

There's a Name Removed and a Post Removed AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #188

I see at least four Post Removed items as well as a bunch of Name Removed. rzemanfl Mar 2025 #189

These threads piss me off, but they do tend to clear out some of the bigots AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #191

"What's for dinner?" Democrats. live love laugh Mar 2025 #202

Why is he doing any of this? Amanita Galatica Mar 2025 #210

My governor has been solid, very solid, on the issues. I watch his progress with interest. Hekate Mar 2025 #226

It is a big tent Amanita Galatica Mar 2025 #286

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Which Democrats is he breaking with on this ? I haven't seen anyone that is JI7 Mar 2025 #218

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More precisely, he actually said it in in front of the whole world in the podcast he did with Charlie Kirk AZJonnie Mar 2025 #229

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Yes, and you've come to the right place AZJonnie Mar 2025 #244

Newsom is playing the game. stoned Mar 2025 #225

What game involves pandering to the alt-right? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #246

You must feel strongly about this issue. Half the non-deleted posts belong to you. PeaceWave Mar 2025 #249

Well, having rights taken away can do that AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #251

I don't think he's pandering to the right stoned Mar 2025 #284

All I can say is that this is just WEIRD. Lulu KC Mar 2025 #242

Totally ceding ground on an issue ibegurpard Mar 2025 #250

He's pissed all the tech bros are moving to Texas AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #252

70 percent of Dems agree with Newsom BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #266

I don't care ibegurpard Mar 2025 #267

I would feel better if the candidate was closer to 100% Emile Mar 2025 #279

No candidate ever gets 100 percent of the vote. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #280

That's why I said closer to 100% Emile Mar 2025 #281

If our nominee is some center or center/right candidate, we're screwed. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2025 #253

If we ForgedCrank Mar 2025 #254

Agree, and I *do* care about women's sports GenThePerservering Mar 2025 #272

I love ForgedCrank Mar 2025 #274

Well i know who im not voting for vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #255

I can't believe so many DUers agree with Charlie Kirk AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #268

Yep vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #273

You and me both BootOutTheGoons Mar 2025 #275

This is the most I've posted since the election AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #277

I agree vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #282

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Seperate but equal, eh? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #291

Thanks for nothing Gavin BootOutTheGoons Mar 2025 #276

It is sad, disappointing, and more than a little gross to see Dems turn on marginalized groups Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2025 #278

They let the narrative be controlled vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #283

And to do it while repeating Trump and Turning Point talking points AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #290

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Enough EarlG Mar 2025 #293