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Ms. Toad

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21. It's not complex.

Fri Mar 7, 2025, 01:50 PM

Mar 2025

Trans women are women. Full stop. Trans men are men. Full stop.

Just like minorities are human. Full stop.

Any attempt to advocate to restrict the rights of trans individuals isn't permitted on DU.

From EarlG:

Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

If you're confused about any of the following:

Trans people can get pregnant?!?
But what about biology?!?
How does the whole genitals thing work?!?
Isn't this bathroom thing complicated?!?
What about sports?!?
Uh... chromosomes?!?
In my day it was he and she, what's with all these pronouns?!?
Maybe Dave Chappelle had a point...?!?

...then please go somewhere else on the Internet to work through your confusion, and come back when you're ready to support your fellow trans DUers. DU is not the place to "just ask questions" or "have the right to your opinion" about how you, non-trans person, feel about the existence of trans people, or how their existence should be defined.

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Context, please? mwmisses4289 Mar 2025 #1

Going out on a limb here edhopper Mar 2025 #2

I think it's an idea worth discussing in the abstract. It lies behind... LAS14 Mar 2025 #8

It won't ForgedCrank Mar 2025 #23

Bill Ayers said, each person is an expert in their own existence... CoopersDad Mar 2025 #3

See my reply above (#8). nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #9

I agree with your premise, appreciate the topic. CoopersDad Mar 2025 #12

Is this in reference to the 1967 Loving v. VA supremne court decision? Torchlight Mar 2025 #4

Sorry, I don't know that decision, but it could easily apply. See my reply #8. nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #10

Mr & Mrs Loving sued for the right to be married, because under old miscegenation laws they could not Hekate Mar 2025 #27

I don't think you are being as clever as you think you are. demmiblue Mar 2025 #5

It's frustrating when people insist on attributing nefarious motives... LAS14 Mar 2025 #11

Two things can be right. The issue is difficult to win on, and it is about complexity. What's wrong with that? RoeVWade Mar 2025 #6

Ignoring any specific issue, there is an entire area of neuroscience dedicated to exploring complex verus hlthe2b Mar 2025 #7

Yes thanks. The particular issue can be broken down into several categories. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #13

Well stated! nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #14

Thanks, appreciate it. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #16

If someone can acknowledge complexity without acknowledging bigots have a point, I'd love to see it, because simply WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2025 #15

Did you mean "admitting" instead of "admiring?" nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #17

No WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2025 #19

Well, both terms work leftstreet Mar 2025 #18

I don't know how one can work toward a solution without acknowleging whatever complexity there is. nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #20

It's not complex. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #21

Well, since replying to you would probably get me alerted, leading... LAS14 Mar 2025 #22

That is about as clear as it can possibly be Hekate Mar 2025 #32

Thank you for posting this. As the parent Luciferous Mar 2025 #35

The complexity is introduced by bigots to give them cover. None of these issues are difficult to wrestle with. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2025 #25

Unfortunately, you're describing our dilemma pretty accurately. It's really, really... LAS14 Mar 2025 #24

It is hard -- but it's optional. 🏳️‍⚧️ TommyT139 Mar 2025 #28

Complexity? Cirsium Mar 2025 #34

I don't think it is bigoted to state that Hamas attacked Israel. yardwork Mar 2025 #26

Here. Let me help make this less complex for you BootOutTheGoons Mar 2025 #29

I think that it's most important that we are not afraid to discuss without scolding Maru Kitteh Mar 2025 #30

I feel like I've just been invited to another donnybrook Hekate Mar 2025 #31

What is the complexity? LostOne4Ever Mar 2025 #33

I agree. Jim__ Mar 2025 #36