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pat_k

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1. He absolutely meets the criteria for multiple diagnoses
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 05:03 PM
Mar 2025

From August 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1846040

DT is mentally ill. He meets the criteria for Antisocial and Narcissistic Personality Disorders. And based on public conduct, I have no doubt that an evaluation would put him way up on the Psychopathy Checklist.

Lying and "distorting reality" are hallmarks. He breaks every rule in the book in pursuit of his own ends. He lies and distorts reality to rationalize and justify his wrongful conduct. To puff up his over-inflated ego he stereotypes and denigrates those he sees as out-groups. His callous disregard for others and sense of entitlement appear to know no bounds. He weaves grandiose tales of his fearsome power, omnipotence, and unequaled brilliance. He is proudly abrasive and offensive. He clearly enjoys humiliating and embarrassing others, but reacts to any perceived slight to his own person, appearance, or accomplishments aggressively and vindictively.

I'm sure there have been U.S. presidential candidates, and presidents, who could be diagnosed with a personality disorder of some sort, but I can't think any of who exhibited this level of psychopathy. I can't think of any who met as many diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder, or who met as many criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Regarding Personality Disorders in general

There are four defining features of personality disorders. These are:

1) Distorted thinking patterns,
2) Problematic emotional responses,
3) Over- or under-regulated impulse control, and
4) Interpersonal difficulties.


I think it is pretty clear that DT exhibits these defining features.

Antisocial Personality Disorder DSM-5 301.7 (F60.2)

{Lengthy discussion that proceeds diagnostic criteria omitted}

There are four diagnostic criterion, of which Criterion A has seven sub-features
.
A. Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by three of the seven sub features:
1. Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest
2. Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit tor self-amusement,
3. Impulsive behavior
4. Irritability and aggression, assaults others, or engages in fighting
5. Blatantly disregards safety of self and others,
6. A pattern of irresponsibility and
7. Lack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

The other diagnostic Criterion are:
B. The person is at least age 18,
C. Conduct disorder was present by history before age 15
D. and the antisocial behavior does not occur in the context of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder

(American Psychiatric Association, 2013)


DT meets A. He shows "Disregard for and violation of the rights of others." He exhibits at least four of the seven "sub-features."
Specifically 1 (sexual assault clearly warrants arrest), 2, 3, and 7 (I don't think there would be any argument on these three). Arguably he exhibits some of the remaining features. For example, he probably meets 3. He is clearly "irritable and aggressive," but I don't know of any reports of physical assaults in adulthood.

He only needs three of the sub-features to meet the criteria for A "Disregard for and violation of the rights of others"

He is certainly over 18, and from descriptions of him as a kid in [link:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/transcript/"Frontline: The Choice 2016]" he exhibited the same characteristics (plus physical aggression) from a young age.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder DSM-5 301.81 (F60.81)

The definition of NPD states that it is comprised of a persistent manner of grandiosity, a continuous desire for admiration, along with a lack of empathy. It starts by early adulthood and occurs in a range of situations, as signified by the existence of any 5 of the next 9 standards (American Psychiatric Association, 2013):
-- A grandiose logic of self-importance
-- A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love
-- A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions
-- A desire for unwarranted admiration
-- sense of entitlement
-- Interpersonally oppressive behavior
-- No form of empathy
-- Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her
-- A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes



On this one I'd say he's nine for nine (and only needs five for diagnosis).

The "Psychopathy Checklist" is highly correlated with the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Scoring is based on a structured interview, but, given the degree to which DT meets the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I have no doubt that DT's psychopathy score is very high.

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He absolutely meets the criteria for multiple diagnoses pat_k Mar 2025 #1
Thank you for additional information. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #3
"...we don't really need a clinical evaluation." 3catwoman3 Mar 2025 #8
People have a hard time with the point we are making. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #11
And more for me to weigh in on...of course. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #26
Yes some people have a natural ability in terms of observational skills. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #31
I think there is an instinct that gets honed over time. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #33
Yes and some people may need that skill set. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #45
I saw the OP w/ the Hare list first, and then found this post. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #19
Oh don't get me started on serial killers and cold case investigations. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #20
Oh boy! I'm tapped in even more now. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #24
Very interesting study. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #25
It truly was a heavy subject, at the time. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #27
Yes it was a very heavy topic at the time especially. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #44
When I was making the case that Trump's psychopathy and pat_k Mar 2025 #36
Yes I got the same thing. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #42
Nixon exhibited many of those same characteristics. He had the decency to resign. TSF would allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #4
IMHO, Nixon was a fuzzy kitten compared to the grifter. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #28
Grimly amusing to watch the "All The President's Men" movie, now. Paladin Mar 2025 #46
There is so much wrong with him that we probably need a DSM code... 3catwoman3 Mar 2025 #5
I said an addendum to DSM, but your ideas work. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #29
Thank you. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #21
I'm not licensed to diagnose either. pat_k Mar 2025 #37
Mary Trump made a life study of one Sociopath Brother Buzz Mar 2025 #2
Yes I have followed Dr. Trump for some time. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #12
Ouch, I meant objective, not subjective Brother Buzz Mar 2025 #17
I knew exactly what you meant. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #18
She lived it, and then she learned it. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #22
Yep she lived the insanity first hand. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #23
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding chowmama Mar 2025 #6
Yes the Trump Crime Syndicate has quite a few who meet the criteria. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #13
Born or made? nt mr715 Mar 2025 #7
We don't know the answer to your great question Mr. 715? Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #14
Ha - its isn't Mr. 715 mr715 Mar 2025 #15
Mr. 715 sounds fascinating, like someone undercover. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #16
I sometimes refer to him as Frankenstein's monster. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #30
I keep thinking of this metaphor as well. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #32
But when Frankenstein's monster threw the little girl into the pond, yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #34
Yes they know it is wrong, and enjoy it. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #43
Both the orange Hitler and the Rasputin muskrat have the same symptoms kimbutgar Mar 2025 #9
Empathy is arguably the cornerstone of morality pat_k Mar 2025 #35
We usually think empathy is the sign of a civilized, advanced society. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #41
I'd definitely say Felon47 fits this sakabatou Mar 2025 #10
Yes it is quite apparent. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #40
By my count, plenty of people meet at least three of those misanthrope Mar 2025 #38
There is no research to support that many college students are sociopaths. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #39
It was merely a light-hearted point about the intricacies of diagnoses misanthrope Mar 2025 #47
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