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moonscape

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137. I haven't read this long thread so

Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:52 PM

Mar 2025

forgive if this is a rehash but … this isn’t how I recall things going down at all.

How I remember it is after the disastrous debate, as pressure started to build, most here (including me) were incensed! Most of us wanted Biden to stay in, for donors et al to rally behind him, circle the wagons around our great president.

Once Biden dropped out, within days it seems, electricity started to build, within a week the polls started moving, fundraisers were happening among one group after another, excitement started building, and those of us who had thought Biden should stay in, that he was our only hope, started admitting we had been wrong, that the mood was lighter, more optimistic.

You may correct my memory, it’s not always the best, but based on how I recall things any general DU scolding re wanting Biden forced out seems quite off the mark.

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I hope everyone here that wanted Biden forced out are happy with themselves. [View all] we can do it Mar 2025 OP

I'd be happy to know the complete uncut story. marble falls Mar 2025 #1

Trolls amped up demands to step down. They also attacked those of us standing up for PJB - all of them gone now. we can do it Mar 2025 #62

No primary or anything. If someone wanted Emile Mar 2025 #78

A primary? There was no time for a primary...we would have lost just the same. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #87

A primary would have started a year earlier. Emile Mar 2025 #89

Every single time we have primaryed a president we lost the election... Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #94

Well, Some of Us RobinA Mar 2025 #146

Trolls convinced President Biden to withdraw? MichMan Mar 2025 #80

Trolls HERE amped up demands - better? we can do it Mar 2025 #90

Oh, some are still here...and I mean here here Prairie Gates Mar 2025 #101

So why post flame bait for the trolls? live love laugh Mar 2025 #109

I was all for Joe Biden, especially after the great job he did at the State of the Union appearance. brush Mar 2025 #111

It wasn't just a bad night. At SOTU, he read from teleprompter, but reporting at the time told us... thesquanderer Mar 2025 #117

Agreed about Harris. I still don't believe she lost every swing state. brush Mar 2025 #119

Joe wasn't winning that election HereForTheParty Mar 2025 #2

Prove it. You can't. n/t valleyrogue Mar 2025 #6

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #18

Correct. He should have bowed out in early 2023 so we could have had a fair primary season and nominated beaglelover Mar 2025 #45

He should've announced right after the midterms in 2022 that he wasn't going to run. Yavin4 Mar 2025 #51

That's not just the Democrats The Revolution Mar 2025 #74

He said he would be the bridge to the next generation as 1 term president Ferryboat Mar 2025 #52

That's the weird thing.... DiamondShark Mar 2025 #55

Given that he was 78 in 2020, I certainly thought he would only serve one term - trying to serve as president Midwestern Democrat Mar 2025 #58

Are we really going down the path of age shaming? DiamondShark Mar 2025 #59

During early primaries in a crowded field of candidates. Ferryboat Mar 2025 #124

He stated he was going to be a transitional administration MichMan Mar 2025 #82

That is so odd... DiamondShark Mar 2025 #103

Believe it or not MichMan Mar 2025 #125

Interesting... DiamondShark Mar 2025 #133

It was a statement he made in 2020 MichMan Mar 2025 #134

Okie Dokie. DiamondShark Mar 2025 #136

All depends on how the second debate would have went Polybius Mar 2025 #67

There's nothing to indicate qazplm135 Mar 2025 #77

I know Polybius Mar 2025 #83

VP Harris immediately did better than President Biden in polls muriel_volestrangler Mar 2025 #118

You can't prove he would have won either.... MichMan Mar 2025 #135

Yes he was, handily New Breed Leader Mar 2025 #25

Aren't you in the same boat? Nice avatar lame54 Mar 2025 #99

Putin/Musk/Trump stole the election. Didn't matter which Dem ran. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #3

You're right. Trump virtually admitted it. Ritabert Mar 2025 #81

I wish I could believe this election was stolen but I don't. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #95

It's painful to lose but lose we did ZRB Mar 2025 #123

Exactly. That is the bottom line. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #130

Joe would have lost as well. berksdem Mar 2025 #4

Wrong. nt valleyrogue Mar 2025 #7

Correct... FBaggins Mar 2025 #15

Solid analysis berksdem Mar 2025 #144

NO HE WOULD NOT HAVE LOST New Breed Leader Mar 2025 #21

Yes he would have RJ-MacReady Mar 2025 #22

WRONG New Breed Leader Mar 2025 #23

i wish that were the case RJ-MacReady Mar 2025 #24

He didn't win in a landslide with covid EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #37

Landslide? Polybius Mar 2025 #68

Did you not look at his approval ratings... Melon Mar 2025 #102

You fail to understand Biden's ties to the rustbelt. He could have won if Democrats Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #104

VA isn't really fully blue just yet. spooky3 Mar 2025 #127

I agree claudette Mar 2025 #29

I think he had a chance...but we doomed ourselves by forcing him out. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #96

they're so happy that they're now trying to force both Democratic leaders in Congress out bigtree Mar 2025 #5

Schumer was a great leader for sane, Democracy driven times Takket Mar 2025 #9

Schumer was never a "great" leader. yardwork Mar 2025 #40

Not to mention if it were not for him, valleyrogue Mar 2025 #10

Why do you ask? Because you think he would have won? Takket Mar 2025 #8

Why do you think he wouldn"t other than the media told you to think valleyrogue Mar 2025 #14

FELON would've stolen it for F45 no matter which Dem ran SheltieLover Mar 2025 #11

Yup orangecrush Mar 2025 #41

I wonder because they tried obviously with B in 2020 as well on some level Meowmee Mar 2025 #122

I don't think we can have an honest discussion about Biden and his decision to run in '24. tman Mar 2025 #12

He was sabotaged from within. valleyrogue Mar 2025 #16

Dems could have stepped up and defended his reccord right then but didn't. we can do it Mar 2025 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2025 #13

These types of posts are pointless. And weird. n/t demmiblue Mar 2025 #17

I agree Rebl2 Mar 2025 #31

Let them hash it out stoned Mar 2025 #50

I just wish he had dropped out in the fall of 2023 Buckeyeblue Mar 2025 #19

That would have been the way to go, pushing him out 4 month's before election was not. we can do it Mar 2025 #64

Even with around the clock coverage it takes time to frame your message Buckeyeblue Mar 2025 #75

History tell us incumbency wins elections...every time we lose Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #105

I don't New Breed Leader Mar 2025 #20

Clooney and his wife will be peachy XanaDUer2 Mar 2025 #43

Me too. An awful way to treat a kind human who was very effective. we can do it Mar 2025 #66

The trolls shouldn't get off lightly. DiamondShark Mar 2025 #70

Clooney and his wife are now separated. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #106

I think it was the people around Biden who did us no favors. Tell it straight to your own, because it does no one any RoeVWade Mar 2025 #26

I love Joe Biden like he's a member of my family. But I hate this second-guessing. Walleye Mar 2025 #27

I still tip the scale at the election was stolen. FarPoint Mar 2025 #28

Oh please. That's not the issue. Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #30

Some of ya'lls backs must be aching real bad from moving those goalposts New Breed Leader Mar 2025 #32

It was the claudette Mar 2025 #33

This XanaDUer2 Mar 2025 #42

Wow. I guess the other side doesn't own reality detachment. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #73

Nothing there is reality based qazplm135 Mar 2025 #79

I'm way more sad that a bunch of idiots, conmen, crooks, and ignorant voted for a man like Trump. PERIOD. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #34

Best OP so far today. William769 Mar 2025 #35

✌🏼 we can do it Mar 2025 #86

I doubt that anyone on DU had any say in the matter. yardwork Mar 2025 #36

No. Wrong. Blaming the dems doesn't help anyone but the GOP. Covid and maga are to blame. lindysalsagal Mar 2025 #38

I love Kamala and worked my butt off for her. we can do it Mar 2025 #97

Yes. I didn't want Kamala's future ruined by LeftInTX Mar 2025 #143

Oh lord are we going to rehash thisagain and agin? indusurb Mar 2025 #39

Joe should have won and if ability and Phoenix61 Mar 2025 #44

Anyone who would choose Trump over Biden or Kamala wasn't a sane and sure vote anyway, IMO. RoeVWade Mar 2025 #46

Now we know Bluestocking Mar 2025 #47

Many times he lost his train of thought pattyloutwo Mar 2025 #48

Dont worry they have already moved on Johonny Mar 2025 #49

Sheldon Whitehouse reminded Democrats, "Don't form a circular firing squad". jmbar2 Mar 2025 #53

Time to get over it. Elected Democrats and Democratic leadership wanted Biden gone. Autumn Mar 2025 #54

I will never get over it. People will die because of such actions. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #108

Then live with it. That's your burden to bear. There are those of us who followed the Democratic party Autumn Mar 2025 #115

The mood here went from doom and gloom to excited Kaleva Mar 2025 #56

Biden would not have won and by less... So this is not the call out you think it is. LizBeth Mar 2025 #57

That is just not true...Biden had a special relationship with the rustbelt...which Kamala Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #110

Nah... he couldn't LizBeth Mar 2025 #112

Yep I agree dwayneb Mar 2025 #120

Would this be a good time to start a Merrick Garland Appreciation thread? Blue Owl Mar 2025 #60

Back in 84 BluenFLA Mar 2025 #61

There are differences though Polybius Mar 2025 #69

Reagan was never sharp except as an actor. PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #132

That's what I said about Reagan Polybius Mar 2025 #142

Mondale was not Trump. Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #138

I still contend that debate was a setup and a hit job. Initech Mar 2025 #63

Even if he did, it wouldn't explain Biden's performance Polybius Mar 2025 #72

Trump's response was that he didn't shut the fuck up. Initech Mar 2025 #76

I saw a video comparing Biden's 2012 and 2024 debates Polybius Mar 2025 #88

DeJoy slow walking the mail in votes in Big Blue Cities... GreenWave Mar 2025 #65

Hoo boy. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #71

I said that at the time. I was against replacing Biden...we should of rallied around him. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #84

And I m saddened beyond words to say this: moonscape Mar 2025 #128

Which demographic didn't vote for Harris but would have voted for Biden? Shrek Mar 2025 #85

Trump might have won anyway Progressive dog Mar 2025 #91

The bottom line is everytime we screw with a sitting president, we lose. Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #92

He stays in, we lose dozens more House seats and a handful more in the Senate, plus governorships. ZRB Mar 2025 #98

That is untrue...we will never know of course...but history tells us incumbents almost always Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #114

You may be right ZRB Mar 2025 #121

I hope that everyone H2O Man Mar 2025 #100

I wish that he would have kept his 1 term insinuation. JanMichael Mar 2025 #107

Agree. And Joe likely would've lost by wider margins than Kamala did, radius777 Mar 2025 #140

It wasn't DU as much as it was DNC types, PACs and major donors. LeftInTX Mar 2025 #113

cough! cough! Bernie Sanders cough! mike_c Mar 2025 #116

You're expending canetoad Mar 2025 #126

After reading most of the replies what is the point of having this doc03 Mar 2025 #129

really? that's who's to blame?! ecstatic Mar 2025 #131

I haven't read this long thread so moonscape Mar 2025 #137

No, the problem with the election is that Fascism appeals to a large enough portion of the voting population to elect artemisia1 Mar 2025 #139

Joe should have announced he wasn't running after the midterms pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #141

I think pointing fingers often provides us a sense of accomplishment. Torchlight Mar 2025 #145