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elocs

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Sun Mar 16, 2025, 10:28 AM Mar 2025

Do we realize & understand & grasp that we are living in a pivotal moment of history? [View all]

The fall of the American Empire.
Throughout history there have been empires that rose and fell. I wonder, how many of their citizens at the time understood that their empire was falling? That they were living in the midst of it?

Some countries have lived through the ending of their empires and are good nations today such as the British and the Dutch with Britain and The Netherlands being fine democratic nations. I don't believe we will be as fortunate here in the US. We may survive, but we will never be the same again. Too bad because although we were, are imperfect, for most of our history we were a fairly decent nation.

I'd reckon that the other free and democratic nations are amazed at how quickly our democracy was brought to its knees but I'm sure there were people who saw it coming.
But we were guilty of the sin of pride, like other empires had been, that ours would last forever. I certainly never believed I would be alive to witness its fall. After all, my family had been here for nearly 400 years and I thought I might make it through a decent retirement never believing it would all fall apart so quickly aided by the millions who voted for Trump along with others who were too complacent and over confident to vote.

Sadly, our fall here in the US will not be one of a decent transition to a good democratic nation. No, our fall will be one into evil and hate. I know there are some, many who believe my epitaph is premature but I am honestly, nearly out of hope. Will there be a civil war? Well, unlike our Civil War here is not a clear line of demarcation between slave and free states with good people even in red states. Maybe our trouble now had its roots in the Civil War because the Slave states weren't exactly a bastion of democracy.

But here we are now and everyone who feels able to do the best they can in resistance, good luck. Although maga and the right seem united in their evil while we Democrats too often tend to eat our own when we have disagreements. Oh well, I've voted exclusive for Democratic candidates for over 50 years now and I hope I get the chance to vote again although I'm not hopeful.

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We didn't listen to Marley's Ghost Uncle Joe Mar 2025 #1
Yes. They are changing out the machinery, literally and figuratively, of our Wingus Dingus Mar 2025 #2
Sadly, I think you could be quite correct, Wingus. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #9
Between this post of yours and that of wingus_dingus, I think you've laid it out too well. erronis Mar 2025 #19
They have zero reason to turn back. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #22
Good analysis by all...... DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #43
Yes. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #44
All of the UBER rich and politicians DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #45
IDK how it turned out. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #46
The only thing DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #50
Yes does suggest the Vets are mostly Trumpers. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #51
Eloquently framed ID, athough nothing eloquent in the reality. yellow dahlia Mar 2025 #47
I know, where are the CIA, M16, military intel, etc? Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #49
Musk's coders are not just identifying women and minorities to fire, they're rewriting the code for government systems. Lonestarblue Mar 2025 #16
It's really hard pattyloutwo Mar 2025 #58
It's VERY hard. I lean closer to fleeing to Canada, at least to start. At least until my Maru Kitteh Mar 2025 #63
1) Yes, 2) Only a fall if one assumes things, 3) Presumes such a fall would be bad, 4) The final pivot out might be cool Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #3
Well said. A glimmer of hope long-term for an extended period of misery. erronis Mar 2025 #21
It is possible that things just have to get bad enough MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #65
Of course mimitabby Mar 2025 #4
Governments are always for the ruling classes that set them up. bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #5
It wasn't so quick. Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2025 #6
Maybe, but when we elected Pres. Obama I thought we had turned the corner groundloop Mar 2025 #10
I felt that way too when Obama was elected. Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2025 #18
Unfortunately, Obama's elections were the straw that broke the proverbial back. erronis Mar 2025 #24
That turned out to be a false hope, didn't it. After Obama we've gotten Trump twice. elocs Mar 2025 #57
Yes, yes, yes EverHopeful Mar 2025 #12
The last 2 months has been the culmination of the previous decades. n/t elocs Mar 2025 #32
I don't think maga is actually "miserable", ... yet. But they will turn on Muck first then tRump. Won't be pretty Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #52
And this is going to happen as you say, just wait for the other shoe to drop. And MAGAs haven't seen anything yet. SWBTATTReg Mar 2025 #60
The build up to our fall from a democracy may have taken years, decades, elocs Mar 2025 #29
Excellent summation of key points along the path. Big Blue Marble Mar 2025 #64
It's not the fall of the American Empire oldmanlynn Mar 2025 #7
Why would I want to continue 'the American Empire'? Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #8
Empires usually don't believe they will fall even when the evidence is in front of them. elocs Mar 2025 #34
Fuck empires. I'm just fine with our shitty empire falling apart. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #11
not everyone appreciates this. barbtries Mar 2025 #13
My 82-year-old husband is in DC at a veterans' protest at the Heritage Foundation. raging moderate Mar 2025 #23
I marched in Raleigh barbtries Mar 2025 #39
You said " But I did not know it would be illegal to post the news in the DU Lounge, so that ended that." notinkansas Mar 2025 #41
I made a joke in the Lounge but it was locked for being political. I thought it was too lightweight for GenDisc Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #54
OK. Thanks for the clarification. notinkansas Mar 2025 #55
We're between a rock & a hard place because filling the streets may ultimately bring elocs Mar 2025 #35
At my age, I will never see the recouping of Democracy as I knew it. 634-5789 Mar 2025 #14
Yeah, I'm 72 and I feel the same. I think we took our democracy too much for granted. n/t elocs Mar 2025 #36
Marley's Ghosts is a very good description of where we are now - haele Mar 2025 #15
America First! becomes America Only! becomes America Alone become America Lonely. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #17
Very well said! It could be called "Unintended Consequences" but perhaps this destruction is actually erronis Mar 2025 #25
Complacent. Exactly. As Democrats, too many of us have become complacent. elocs Mar 2025 #42
We had all seen evil from a distance... Escape Mar 2025 #20
Yup SheltieLover Mar 2025 #26
Not the fall of the American empire, but the end of the American Century andym Mar 2025 #27
We built an empire after WWII. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #30
No we didn't-- we did not have tribuatory states andym Mar 2025 #33
Quibble with words, but it ends up being the same thing. elocs Mar 2025 #66
Actually the difference is that Trump is trying to build a new American empire: by adding Greenland, Canada etc andym Mar 2025 #67
Uh, Yeah! I was born to be here now. calikid Mar 2025 #28
You are not alone. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #31
It will go down in history as... S/V Loner Mar 2025 #37
Embracing Reality Is The 'Hopeful' Path... Reality Is The Reasoned Path Forward... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #38
Yup, we're never going to be the same country again. But, maybe, if we survive the Rancid Menace Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #40
I'm going to start carrying raw sunflower seeds. haele Mar 2025 #48
The whole world will mourn. A European told me that they liked that America Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #53
Thank you, and everyone else, for your thoughtful posts Wild blueberry Mar 2025 #56
Hope springs eternal and comes from faith in yourself and others wintemark Mar 2025 #59
We need to look toward Europe to uphold democratic governance... AntiFascist Mar 2025 #61
American democracy died on 12/12/00 GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #62
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