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In reply to the discussion: Do we realize & understand & grasp that we are living in a pivotal moment of history? [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)3. 1) Yes, 2) Only a fall if one assumes things, 3) Presumes such a fall would be bad, 4) The final pivot out might be cool
1) Yes. I'm Canadian, under attack in an economic war for the sovereignty of my country and my way of life and my liberty. Canada at this point is the most free country in the world.
2) You highlight the "fall" in your first sentence and throughout. It is only a fall if you assume there is an actual American Empire. That is highly debatable. One can point to an almost total lack of colonies (Puerto Rico) and counter with cultural imperialism and commercial imperialism.
3) The presumption is that such a "fall" would be bad. Do the economic decline consequences outweigh the moral and humanistic values? Is money everything? Is grossly over-weighted military dominance and expenditure and risk the only way to obtain world peace and "safety for democracy"?
4) Sometimes things have to get bad to get better. When fighting cancer, we can deploy chemotherapy, which temporarily makes the patient feel worse than the disease symptoms. I thought that one term of tRump would have been enough to show a majority of the populace that going back is dangerous and not worth anything. I was wrong. Perhaps it will take the crippling of government for the majority to realize its worthiness.
As a human society we are on the brink of a very progressive, wealthy, and bright future. But it is blocked and attacked by unsustainable wealth & income disparities, religious dogmatism, authoritarianism, and polarization. Before long (in historical terms) tRumpism and the oligarchs will be discredited and swept away and more balance will be restored. While that happens it will seem like an eternity.
So, yes, we (DU and progressives) realize we are in a pivotal moment in history. Reich-wingers hope and pray that we are in one as their greed, close-mindedness, and denial of facts and natural realities blinds them to the consequences that will befall them.
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Do we realize & understand & grasp that we are living in a pivotal moment of history? [View all]
elocs
Mar 2025
OP
Yes. They are changing out the machinery, literally and figuratively, of our
Wingus Dingus
Mar 2025
#2
Between this post of yours and that of wingus_dingus, I think you've laid it out too well.
erronis
Mar 2025
#19
Musk's coders are not just identifying women and minorities to fire, they're rewriting the code for government systems.
Lonestarblue
Mar 2025
#16
It's VERY hard. I lean closer to fleeing to Canada, at least to start. At least until my
Maru Kitteh
Mar 2025
#63
1) Yes, 2) Only a fall if one assumes things, 3) Presumes such a fall would be bad, 4) The final pivot out might be cool
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2025
#3
Unfortunately, Obama's elections were the straw that broke the proverbial back.
erronis
Mar 2025
#24
That turned out to be a false hope, didn't it. After Obama we've gotten Trump twice.
elocs
Mar 2025
#57
I don't think maga is actually "miserable", ... yet. But they will turn on Muck first then tRump. Won't be pretty
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2025
#52
And this is going to happen as you say, just wait for the other shoe to drop. And MAGAs haven't seen anything yet.
SWBTATTReg
Mar 2025
#60
Empires usually don't believe they will fall even when the evidence is in front of them.
elocs
Mar 2025
#34
My 82-year-old husband is in DC at a veterans' protest at the Heritage Foundation.
raging moderate
Mar 2025
#23
You said " But I did not know it would be illegal to post the news in the DU Lounge, so that ended that."
notinkansas
Mar 2025
#41
I made a joke in the Lounge but it was locked for being political. I thought it was too lightweight for GenDisc
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2025
#54
We're between a rock & a hard place because filling the streets may ultimately bring
elocs
Mar 2025
#35
Yeah, I'm 72 and I feel the same. I think we took our democracy too much for granted. n/t
elocs
Mar 2025
#36
America First! becomes America Only! becomes America Alone become America Lonely. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2025
#17
Very well said! It could be called "Unintended Consequences" but perhaps this destruction is actually
erronis
Mar 2025
#25
Actually the difference is that Trump is trying to build a new American empire: by adding Greenland, Canada etc
andym
Mar 2025
#67
Embracing Reality Is The 'Hopeful' Path... Reality Is The Reasoned Path Forward...
MayReasonRule
Mar 2025
#38
Yup, we're never going to be the same country again. But, maybe, if we survive the Rancid Menace
Joinfortmill
Mar 2025
#40
The whole world will mourn. A European told me that they liked that America
Demovictory9
Mar 2025
#53