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Self Esteem

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221. I didn't make a random assertion. I went off exit polls.

Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:40 PM

Mar 2025

Multiple of which showed she lost the Hispanic vote.

But what all the sources say is that Harris lost ground with minority voters. And Democrats aren't going to win another election again without figuring out the why. Some here seem perfectly content losing those voters and never winning another election again. If that's your take, more power to you - I disagree.

I don't see it pointless at all trying to re-reach voters who have voted Democratic in multiple previous elections but, for whatever reason, decided to shift to Trump in 2024. Instead of taking the lazy way out, and just shrugging your shoulders and saying, "I guess they're MAGA now", if you actually want to win - you've got to task WHY they went from supporting Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and Trump in 2024.

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We cannot win by hating our fellow Americans. [View all] kentuck Mar 2025 OP

Once again, a call for the Left to reach out to the fuckheads who want to destroy us Orrex Mar 2025 #1

THe recipe for defeat... kentuck Mar 2025 #2

Well, then they can go fuck themselves even harder. Orrex Mar 2025 #3

As opposed to the sunshine and roses we've experienced so far? hatrack Mar 2025 #24

I will point you to the words of Rebecca Solnit - GoneOffShore Mar 2025 #25

That's excellent Orrex Mar 2025 #33

Most excellent! I'm keeping a copy of this. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #64

Hard to be open to people that keep shouting "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.". Hotler Mar 2025 #84

Too be fair, they all don't say that. Omnipresent Mar 2025 #103

Yes, they do Cirsium Mar 2025 #145

Doubling down on an erroneous statement is not the Democratic Party way. Omnipresent Mar 2025 #195

Whatever that is supposed to mean Cirsium Mar 2025 #199

Do you ever talk to maga's? Omnipresent Mar 2025 #200

Yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #210

Hope you don't mind if I steal this. mcar Mar 2025 #174

It is 100% how they win Bettie Mar 2025 #45

Capitulation and keeping our powder dry has been the true disaster. Sky Jewels Mar 2025 #96

Indeed ck4829 Mar 2025 #201

maybe during normal times Cirsium Mar 2025 #143

Yup! usedtobedemgurl Mar 2025 #11

Your position is irrational stoned Mar 2025 #20

Lol Orrex Mar 2025 #22

My favourite graffiti regarding this GoneOffShore Mar 2025 #28

Seen on FB: CrispyQ Mar 2025 #66

I use that as well. GoneOffShore Mar 2025 #95

Your position is irrational. usedtobedemgurl Mar 2025 #100

lol Cirsium Mar 2025 #147

I agree stoned Mar 2025 #160

What is the center? Cirsium Mar 2025 #161

Moderates who could swing either way stoned Mar 2025 #208

The center? What are you talking about? mcar Mar 2025 #175

The Democrats are a minority party now. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #54

Yeah, phooey on that noise Orrex Mar 2025 #89

It could be very difficult to try and win their votes... kentuck Mar 2025 #94

If you have to persuade them not to vote for an undisguised fascist... Orrex Mar 2025 #109

They want to kill us Cirsium Mar 2025 #150

This is just a suicide take. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #110

Even now, they find his program cutting very appealing... kentuck Mar 2025 #114

Democrats should run on making the government more efficient as well as less corrupt. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #163

Nonsense Cirsium Mar 2025 #152

That wasn't the argument I was responding to. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #165

Well, I'll reconsider my position after every last Trump voter has fucked themselves forever Orrex Mar 2025 #170

Cool. Then don't be surprised when Democrats keep losing. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #188

And, predictably, you fall back on gaslighting Orrex Mar 2025 #192

Oh, I see Cirsium Mar 2025 #171

I don't know. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #189

Thanks Cirsium Mar 2025 #198

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.... Dan Mar 2025 #184

You can do all those things and still try to figure out why Democrats lost support over the last four years. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #190

"Moreover, Harris lost Hispanic men by 10 points." LuvLoogie Mar 2025 #209

Your link does not disprove mine. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #212

You stated Harris lost Latino men by 10 points LuvLoogie Mar 2025 #220

I didn't make a random assertion. I went off exit polls. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #221

I disagree... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #122

This! mcar Mar 2025 #177

Thank you. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #180

No Cirsium Mar 2025 #149

Ummmmm.... how may Magats are out there protesting and showing their support for F47? in2herbs Mar 2025 #166

So tell me, mcar Mar 2025 #176

So tell me... Self Esteem Mar 2025 #191

Some men Dan Mar 2025 #196

So, why did this demographic vote for Hillary overwhelmingly in 2016? Self Esteem Mar 2025 #213

It is something that I thought about and Dan Mar 2025 #217

I think the issue is far more complex than just saying, "racism" or "sexism"... Self Esteem Mar 2025 #218

Maybe, throw in economics. Dan Mar 2025 #219

You did see that I said racism AND sexism, right? mcar Mar 2025 #205

My bad! Self Esteem Mar 2025 #214

That's cute mcar Mar 2025 #215

Yup. No real rebuttal. Self Esteem Mar 2025 #216

No! No getting back with the wife beating husband. Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #80

If they didn't vote in the last election... kentuck Mar 2025 #82

Good luck in your calls for appeasement, Neville Orrex Mar 2025 #91

Couldn't agree more. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2025 #179

If we want to beat Trump and the MAGA cabal... Initech Mar 2025 #186

Why are you slamming our brand. They need to woken up, period. Blues Heron Mar 2025 #4

the hate is all coming from their side cadoman Mar 2025 #119

There seems to be Magilla Mar 2025 #131

We are going to smash them Blues Heron Mar 2025 #137

Enough Cirsium Mar 2025 #153

. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #130

You can't reason with a cult NewHendoLib Mar 2025 #5

trumpers and maggot are not my fellow americans samnsara Mar 2025 #6

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #7

Thank you, Mr. Chatbot AI sop Mar 2025 #8

LOL 😆 Emile Mar 2025 #10

Openly admitting he was republican. Not that Emile Mar 2025 #13

It was doing okay until the last two sentences. Hugin Mar 2025 #14

Not even remotely interested in reuniting with Trump supporters and Republicans. Autumn Mar 2025 #9

They voted for the Musk/Trump policies. They just thought THEY would be exempt from LoisB Mar 2025 #12

That's worked well before atreides1 Mar 2025 #15

"Therefore, we must seek compromise with Trump supporters" -- what do you think that looks like? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2025 #16

Only compromise w/MAGA is that those that are not affluent and old, ill and racially or sexually straight and white die PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #185

Been reexamining Dr. Steven Hassan's work EverHopeful Mar 2025 #17

We can't win hating our fellow democrats SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #18

This has been my position forever stoned Mar 2025 #19

History has proven that Pollyanna silliness untenable many times over Orrex Mar 2025 #29

I agree about Obama sleeping kansasobama Mar 2025 #41

I am startled byHarris's silence. Hope22 Mar 2025 #106

Where do you want Harris, Biden, and Obama to be? MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #135

Why the OP is wrong 303squadron Mar 2025 #21

I remember when being pro-Russia would lead to something worse than shunning. sop Mar 2025 #58

Intolerance is a breach of the social contract misanthrope Mar 2025 #121

I don't even think that I can forgive them for not believing what he told all of us he would do!!! Hope22 Mar 2025 #23

No RJ-MacReady Mar 2025 #26

Wishing away a confrontation is a pipe dream kansasobama Mar 2025 #42

I suspect you're right, kentuck, but I'm not there yet. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #27

I'll never forgive the Trump voters. zanana1 Mar 2025 #30

Trump and Musk are sadistic evil and deserve every hatred dalton99a Mar 2025 #31

We are not a brand, we are a political party delisen Mar 2025 #32

They absolutely did vote for all of it AverageJoe Mar 2025 #34

Pox News is the GQP Holy Grail The Wizard Mar 2025 #35

No. (nt) Paladin Mar 2025 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Rendville Mar 2025 #37

Speak for yourself, Rendville. (nt) Paladin Mar 2025 #61

You haven't read much of this thread, then, if you believe that. nt yagotme Mar 2025 #83

We haven't tried yet. Happy Hoosier Mar 2025 #38

When they go low, kick them in the nuts EnergizedLib Mar 2025 #203

The myelin coating around brain cells expose the habits cachukis Mar 2025 #39

Saving America more important than insane fellow Americans kansasobama Mar 2025 #40

They just defunded the guys tracking Ukrainian children kidnapped by Putin. Swede Mar 2025 #43

I don't hate the suckers. I hate the masterminds blubunyip Mar 2025 #44

We have to make these people realize kacekwl Mar 2025 #46

What if we looked at it from a purely political perspective? kentuck Mar 2025 #50

I believe your question was answered many times over. bluestarone Mar 2025 #72

Do you think we have enough firepower to win the next election? kentuck Mar 2025 #73

Answer to your first question is Hell yes i believe we can win! bluestarone Mar 2025 #75

Yes, we do disagree. kentuck Mar 2025 #77

There is absolutely nothing about the current GOP that I can embrace. walkingman Mar 2025 #87

You're assuming there will be fair elections to begin with. BlueKota Mar 2025 #169

You are assuming there will be fair future elections usedtobedemgurl Mar 2025 #108

You may be right about that. kentuck Mar 2025 #113

False choice Cirsium Mar 2025 #157

Sometimes you need to face reality Meowmee Mar 2025 #47

This all day every day. Especially about Covid. That gets lost. These people do not value life tulipsandroses Mar 2025 #65

Compromise my ass, we've tried & tried that & tried that. William769 Mar 2025 #48

Nonsense GusBob Mar 2025 #49

The people who voted Trump and likeminded in office are 100% the most responsible. The Grand Illuminist Mar 2025 #51

And unless we act to do something differently... kentuck Mar 2025 #52

Well we can try to be more racist Keepthesoulalive Mar 2025 #90

Fight for them Cirsium Mar 2025 #159

The sticking point is, they want to live in a shithole country, and I don't. Wingus Dingus Mar 2025 #53

I reserve my hate AnnaLee Mar 2025 #55

I agree except for notion of compromise. CoopersDad Mar 2025 #56

How about ignori g and setting aside the johnnyfins Mar 2025 #57

⬆️⬆️⬆️THIS⬆️⬆️⬆️ Think. Again. Mar 2025 #124

This is the way stoned Mar 2025 #138

I don't hate America or my fellow Americans. But I do demand more. ck4829 Mar 2025 #59

Uhm. No. I cannot compromise with racists. My life and my community's life and wellbeing depends on not compromising tulipsandroses Mar 2025 #60

Thank you Keepthesoulalive Mar 2025 #102

They won hating us! boston bean Mar 2025 #62

+1000. Paladin Mar 2025 #67

Hating and opposing are two different things. Ocelot II Mar 2025 #63

Well said. La Coliniere Mar 2025 #71

I think there is a lot of hatred on both sides... kentuck Mar 2025 #74

If we stop hating them will they stop hating us? Ocelot II Mar 2025 #85

Hate is no good for anyone. kentuck Mar 2025 #92

We need to unite the country via a common enemy. NH Ethylene Mar 2025 #68

In order to prevent political suicide.. kentuck Mar 2025 #69

We can go back to being civil when the_liberal_grandpa Mar 2025 #70

But they DID vote for all of this. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2025 #76

Saved me from having to type all that in! Bengus81 Mar 2025 #78

Yes and yes. kentuck Mar 2025 #79

When will our fellow Americans Keepthesoulalive Mar 2025 #81

They seem to be winning by doing that LS0999 Mar 2025 #86

1800 views / 85+ responses / 12 Recommends Prairie Gates Mar 2025 #88

You're suggesting the impossible. Their only cause is making Dear Leader president for life and I'm not Vinca Mar 2025 #93

They believe what the propagandists tell them to believe. kentuck Mar 2025 #98

Does this mean we should compromise with the propaganda? Ilikepurple Mar 2025 #187

Compromise on what exactly? Women's rights? LGBT rights? Civil rights? Mass deportations? The erasure of trans people? Solly Mack Mar 2025 #97

He will ignore your post just like mine. William769 Mar 2025 #117

I wasn't going to reply to the OP but the more I thought about the harm being caused to people the angrier I got. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #125

I'm right there with you. William769 Mar 2025 #129

How about compromise...? kentuck Mar 2025 #126

There is no compromise with hate. I'll believe the people here expressing anger, even with strong words like hate, Solly Mack Mar 2025 #134

Your posts on this thread have been spot on MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #181

Thank you, MorbidButterflyTat. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #182

. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #193

Anyone who voted for this rat bastard Grim Chieftain Mar 2025 #99

fuk all that noise Nimble_Idea Mar 2025 #101

"They did not vote for what is happening right now." Rigpa108 Mar 2025 #104

Winning elections is a lot more abou advertising than it is about love/hate, right/wrong, white/black/or sweet/sour. Ping Tung Mar 2025 #105

I am sorry to see such pushback here, kentuck Easterncedar Mar 2025 #107

And to think we cannot offer even a little encouragement for those that are pissed off... kentuck Mar 2025 #111

Right Easterncedar Mar 2025 #123

The pissed off need to work on their blubunyip Mar 2025 #207

I don't hate fascists, I just don't have anything to do with them other then making life miserable for them. nt ImNotGod Mar 2025 #112

You go ahead. maxsolomon Mar 2025 #115

I am keeping my eye on these Republican "townhalls" where fear has taken over... kentuck Mar 2025 #116

You're quite the optimist. maxsolomon Mar 2025 #118

I think the opportunity is there... kentuck Mar 2025 #120

"Democratic victory" Cirsium Mar 2025 #144

Even if they are Nazis? Or... SnoopDog Mar 2025 #127

We can do all the kumbaya stuff after we rid the U.S. of fascism. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #128

I'm sorry... Skvngr Mar 2025 #132

We can't win by loving them either. RockRaven Mar 2025 #133

The only thing a bully understands is a beat down. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2025 #136

They hate us without half trying. Its this stuff The Third Doctor Mar 2025 #139

I agree with you. h2ebits Mar 2025 #140

You better open your fucking eyes Mysterian Mar 2025 #141

if it all started last night...maybe stillcool Mar 2025 #142

I do not agree with that. They hate us, and they won. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #146

"Quack." -- Iggo. Iggo Mar 2025 #148

I CANNOT find "common ground" with people who support FASCISM Skittles Mar 2025 #151

Why not? They did. /nt bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #154

Well, they certainly won by hating US. B.See Mar 2025 #155

I just hate what they stand for FullySupportDems Mar 2025 #156

How does one "unite" with those who have no desire to unite with you? GoCubsGo Mar 2025 #158

Reading through this entire thread, stoned Mar 2025 #162

I will stop hating Nazi MAGA cultists when they JoseBalow Mar 2025 #164

... orangecrush Mar 2025 #167

Sorry no can do. BlueKota Mar 2025 #168

Okay, I have a counter to that FullySupportDems Mar 2025 #172

I am a blue dot in a red neck area in a blue state BlueKota Mar 2025 #197

They voted for every bit of that mcar Mar 2025 #173

Well, you go ahead. You are more saintly than I can ever be. hamsterjill Mar 2025 #178

If you wanna sing kumbafuckingya with these people be my guest vercetti2021 Mar 2025 #183

Fuck that noise! EarthFirst Mar 2025 #194

I have no interest in unity EnergizedLib Mar 2025 #202

There's far too many people here that have become invested in the personalities of the Democratic Party biocube Mar 2025 #204

So true SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #211

Not this shit again. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #206