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64. If we work to improve our party

Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:49 PM

Mar 2025

and allow it to have more appeal to a wider audience, and recruit larger numbers of voters, is that a bad thing?

We have to point out what's bad in order to improve it.

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Please Attack Trump and Musk - Not Democrats. Please. [View all] MineralMan Mar 2025 OP

Unfortunately.... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #1

I promise you that what you are doing MineralMan Mar 2025 #3

I'd argue that the division achieved by recent Senate actions was more damaging to the Party... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #5

Argue with Trump and Republicans MineralMan Mar 2025 #6

That sounds futile, besides we try to pick the strongest Dem Representatives to do that. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #7

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 2025 #12

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #17

What has Schumer said? Nixie Mar 2025 #29

I wouldn't want to mistate his words or paraphrase him... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #31

If you are so against what he said, it seems you would know what Nixie Mar 2025 #33

I have only stated that I am against the division he caused within the Party... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #39

You were lamenting his talk show appearances apparently Nixie Mar 2025 #65

Lamenting? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #72

You were dismissive of his talk show appearances. Nixie Mar 2025 #73

Was I? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #74

Dismissive from your first post on this thread.... Nixie Mar 2025 #75

Just ignore them -they'll go back under the bridge soon enough AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #77

Yes, it's at that point. Nixie Mar 2025 #91

Been that way for years... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #95

So, help me understand... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #84

You can read the thread to see. That's how I read your responses. Nixie Mar 2025 #90

Oh, I see, ... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #98

Another familiar distraction--pivoting to discuss me instead of your Nixie Mar 2025 #203

It was not me who tried to hijack my statements by adding an unstated meaning. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #209

Excuses Nixie Mar 2025 #212

Weird. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #213

Weird that you would criticize a politician without actually listening Nixie Mar 2025 #216

Weird you think my saying he's on tv is a criticism. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #217

Weird you would think implying his talk show appearances were Nixie Mar 2025 #219

I don't watch tv. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #220

Then how did you know Schumer was on all the talk shows? Nixie Mar 2025 #222

I have internet, silly. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #224

Amazing that the talk shows are on the internet where you Nixie Mar 2025 #232

Weird you would criticize his "actions" in the Senate Nixie Mar 2025 #223

His reasoning was told to us before the vote, unfortunately... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #225

Another derogatory post about Schumer? Or is this one positive? Nixie Mar 2025 #234

YES, MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #253

I understand Schumers argument for voting to keep government open but fail to understand the vigorous criticism of it. Mtnmama Mar 2025 #132

Not really Cirsium Mar 2025 #148

Good point. We say we are fighting for democracy but when some of it happens within MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #172

Yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #187

I totally agree. Schumer's reasoning was actually very Nixie Mar 2025 #206

Schumer completely mishandled the messaging crimycarny Mar 2025 #276

Exactly why schumer should never have .... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #208

You never listened to what Schumer had to say about his Nixie Mar 2025 #215

It's Schumer's bungling of the message crimycarny Mar 2025 #278

The OP Cirsium Mar 2025 #243

Wrong. The OP doesn't mention Schumer. Post 5 is where Nixie Mar 2025 #246

Oh, come on Cirsium Mar 2025 #247

"Current controversies" that's the point and you seem to Nixie Mar 2025 #258

And if the government was shut down right now, whom would be criticized Walleye Mar 2025 #179

The Democrats, always Cirsium Mar 2025 #252

Please Think Again... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 2025 #227

Well Schumer didn't advise potential candidates to run against Democrats as independents lapucelle Mar 2025 #85

Observe the pile-on that did happen to POTUS Joe Biden. nt PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #89

Thank goodness Schumer wasn't encouraging people to Nixie Mar 2025 #93

Sanders always warns voters not to throw their votes away MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #168

His latest quotes that I responded to were encouraging Nixie Mar 2025 #200

Just a quick reminder that Sanders is an Independent. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #101

No one needs to be reminded. lapucelle Mar 2025 #113

Watch out SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #116

Yes, it gets weird in here sometimes. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #119

If our leaders or the ones we elected don't do what must be done what Autumn Mar 2025 #71

There appear to be folks who are angry that keeping the federal courts open lapucelle Mar 2025 #118

I'd bet $10 and a coffeecake that if gov. had shut down the screaming about why didn't Democrats stop betsuni Mar 2025 #122

We warned people what would happen if they sat out this election lapucelle Mar 2025 #123

Sadly, some well-meaning folks apparently don't know how US prez elections work. RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #157

Irrelevant Cirsium Mar 2025 #256

Where in my post do I refer to people "here"? RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #260

I could be wrong Cirsium Mar 2025 #262

You are wrong, and you did accuse me RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #265

I stand by what I said Cirsium Mar 2025 #268

It is not false when you have people directly attacking Dem leaders RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #270

Of course it is Cirsium Mar 2025 #272

Bullshit. RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #274

No worries Cirsium Mar 2025 #275

So there it is. The motivation for attacking Schumer is about the war Nixie Mar 2025 #294

What? Cirsium Mar 2025 #297

You brought up "feud." Almost all your posts in this thread misrepresent Nixie Mar 2025 #298

Yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #300

You determining what's "honest"? I'll have to pass. Nixie Mar 2025 #301

OK Cirsium Mar 2025 #304

Progressives/moderates, which is the majority of the party. Emile Mar 2025 #296

Red herring Cirsium Mar 2025 #255

Not a chance Cirsium Mar 2025 #254

This! mcar Mar 2025 #151

If the government shut down, I'm pretty sure they would use it as an excuse to cut off our Social Security benefits Walleye Mar 2025 #181

And Senate Democrats would have been blamed. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #195

Absolutely Walleye Mar 2025 #196

Yes! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #257

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 2025 #13

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #15

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 2025 #14

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #16

Repetitive attacks on a Democrat MineralMan Mar 2025 #23

I will continue discussing with fellow Democrats improving the representatives we have. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #24

They get pressure from the big corporate donors and from the MAGA fascists. We have to apply MORE pressure Bluetus Mar 2025 #87

Well said. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #88

How is shutting down the government "fighting for our democracy"? lapucelle Mar 2025 #126

The courts are ALREADY lost Bluetus Mar 2025 #139

The federal courts are not closed, nor are they "lost". lapucelle Mar 2025 #140

The courts are neither lost nor closed. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #176

You can just see the artificial and dangerously superficial talking Nixie Mar 2025 #211

We have to give them the tools WyLoochka Mar 2025 #237

You are attacking Democrats Cirsium Mar 2025 #149

We haven't had anything like leadership for 50 years. Bluetus Mar 2025 #55

I agree. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #57

Barack Obama wasn't a leader? mcar Mar 2025 #66

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #86

That's not being fair to Nancy Pelosi Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #142

I agree with this up to a point. The problem, as I see it, is not one of policy, or the Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #146

I remember in Trump's first term after the disastrous ag tariffs, a reporter, Rolling Stone IIRC, went to farm country CrispyQ Mar 2025 #198

Yes. That's why I get so frustrated. We do all the right things for them, except for telling Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #202

The dems should have hired George Lakoff back when the repubs hired Frank Luntz. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2025 #218

Then run for office, LEADER. RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #161

Tip O'Neill was amazing Polybius Mar 2025 #285

You got that right. Can't rec your post enough. Autumn Mar 2025 #69

Are you suggesting we ignore the obvious problems stoned Mar 2025 #61

Nothing is perfect. MineralMan Mar 2025 #63

If we work to improve our party stoned Mar 2025 #64

Nothing is perfect Cirsium Mar 2025 #153

It has always been thus. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #191

We can't. Bernie in the Senate and AOC in the house are showin us the way... we should follow THEIR lead!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #79

You're not strengthen. You're weakening. paleotn Mar 2025 #162

I disagree... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #163

You're not taking into account all the facts. paleotn Mar 2025 #205

Are you suggesting schumer... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #210

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #221

I'm obsessing? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #230

Yes paleotn Mar 2025 #231

Low blow Cirsium Mar 2025 #244

AGREED DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #228

There in lies the problem we have Democrats that are living in doc03 Mar 2025 #2

And yet, they reliably vote for Democrats. MineralMan Mar 2025 #4

Some have recently voted for .... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #8

Seriously, Democrats that vote for Democrats consistently are never antagonized? PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #92

It doesn't have to be either/or senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #9

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #10

You want Bernie and MM in jail? senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #11

"I will not be broken up if Trump/Musk end up deporting him or throwing him in jail for a while." JonAndKatePlusABird Mar 2025 #18

They are indeed not Democrats. MineralMan Mar 2025 #19

Party over principles? n/t xocetaceans Mar 2025 #50

No, they are not Democrats. soldierant Mar 2025 #54

I believe that open discussion is essential in a Democracy. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #103

Agreed. But right now we don't have a democracy. soldierant Mar 2025 #282

We still do, but we must fight to keep it. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #287

You support Trump sending people to prison because you don''t like them? Autumn Mar 2025 #111

+1 Emile Mar 2025 #115

Many have offered opinions...NOT bashing... Bread and Circuses Mar 2025 #20

Sorry but if I wish to criticise (within TOS boundaries) Dems doing things I disagree with (ie Fetterman etc) I'll do so Celerity Mar 2025 #21

Try spending equal time MineralMan Mar 2025 #25

How about you stop trying to police the site iemanja Mar 2025 #45

I attack Trump/Rethugs far more than I criticise Dems. Please don't condescendingly tell me to 'do something useful'. Celerity Mar 2025 #128

I'm going to multitask crimycarny Mar 2025 #280

Who are you? erodriguez Mar 2025 #129

See my profile. MineralMan Mar 2025 #155

Out of bounds Cirsium Mar 2025 #154

I attack Trump and Republicans all the time. If a Democrat votes with Trump I'm going to Autumn Mar 2025 #114

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #22

LOL! MineralMan Mar 2025 #26

I'm torn on this one. William769 Mar 2025 #27

BINGO, WE HAVE A WINNA!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #34

THANK YOU Skittles Mar 2025 #35

Well, some of us. William769 Mar 2025 #48

I think criticizing elected Democrats for certain mcar Mar 2025 #68

I totally agree with you. William769 Mar 2025 #83

You criticize, you don't bash, Bill mcar Mar 2025 #150

Well it did last night. William769 Mar 2025 #152

"spineless, corrupt, useless" Cirsium Mar 2025 #159

Are they current elected Democrats? mcar Mar 2025 #164

OK Cirsium Mar 2025 #182

There absolutely is mcar Mar 2025 #190

Vague charges Cirsium Mar 2025 #201

Yep....BTW,should we have also not said a word about Manchin? How about Fetterman? Bengus81 Mar 2025 #279

criticize vs. bash William769 Mar 2025 #281

Seems to be all in the eyes of the beholder now doesn't it? Bengus81 Mar 2025 #290

No, not really. it's pretty clear. William769 Mar 2025 #291

LOL...criticize vs bash? Many would tell you it's the exact same thing,or frame it to be the same. Bengus81 Mar 2025 #292

Anyone that knows me on this board knows I have called for Schumer to step down as Senate Minority Leader. William769 Mar 2025 #293

I keep my (verbal only) fire trained at Trump, Musk, and the GOP cult Dem4life1970 Mar 2025 #28

Feet to the fire Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #30

Schumer needs to get off the book-promoting tour and Hakeem needs to show some resistance also. They are utterly silent Evolve Dammit Mar 2025 #32

Really? mcar Mar 2025 #70

Senator Schumer is not on a "book promoting tour". lapucelle Mar 2025 #94

Yes, schumer "postponed" his book tour to respond to his constituent's concerns... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #104

That would mean that Sanders should be in Vermont and AOC should be in Queens lapucelle Mar 2025 #112

I believe elected representatives are allowed... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #117

So Senator Schumer is responding to the needs of his constituents, but Sanders and AOC are not, lapucelle Mar 2025 #120

Why do say Sanders and AOC aren't responding to the needs of their constituents? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #130

There's a poster running around reminding folks that Sanders is an Independent rather than a Democrat. lapucelle Mar 2025 #175

You have the patience of a saint. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #263

I do voice my disgust with Trump and Musk BlueKota Mar 2025 #36

Elected democrats.. Escape Mar 2025 #37

But fetterman IS an elected Democrat. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #105

You are picking and choosing Cirsium Mar 2025 #165

I will always vote Democratic in the General. But I think Schumer and the other nine Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #38

Very well put BlueKota Mar 2025 #51

Just today I was remembering 2011 - Wisconsin Act 10 protests and how Dem senators Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 2025 #40

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Mar 2025 #106

Of course Cirsium Mar 2025 #166

You are lliterally going after Democrats with this thread. Gore1FL Mar 2025 #41

THIS +1 Emile Mar 2025 #102

Correct Cirsium Mar 2025 #169

The only enemy is fascism iemanja Mar 2025 #42

"GO AFTER TRUMP, MUSK, AND REPUBLICANS,. NOT FELLOW DEMOCRATS!" J_William_Ryan Mar 2025 #43

No one should get a pass just because they have a D behind their name. flashman13 Mar 2025 #44

They certainly aren't getting a pass from Bernie and AOC... true leaders in every sense of the word!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #80

Attacking Trump and Musk wont have permanence, but neither would attacking the party SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #46

Yes, it's definitely an impulse that needs to be brought under control. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #47

United we stand divided we fall kimbutgar Mar 2025 #49

Putin bdamomma Mar 2025 #81

United we stand divided we fall. The ten senators who divided away from the party as proof. Emile Mar 2025 #100

Right Cirsium Mar 2025 #171

For those interested in the Democrats Progressive Scorecard chowder66 Mar 2025 #52

No, some Democrats deserve it alarimer Mar 2025 #53

What about you? Cirsium Mar 2025 #56

Excellent response Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #144

It IS getting out of hand. There's a desperation behind it, holding the wrong feet to a huge Republican fire, betsuni Mar 2025 #58

Damn! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #266

100%. Simon Rosenberg mentioned this too. It's important! mahina Mar 2025 #59

Democratic Leadership Wodin56 Mar 2025 #60

As long as I keep seeing posts pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #62

You overlook one important point Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #147

Yeah, facts and track record absolutely disgust me too RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #167

I'm curious. Littlered Mar 2025 #233

It's not. I want the best person for the job. pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #261

There are some internal issues that need to be resolved. Renew Deal Mar 2025 #67

Yes bdamomma Mar 2025 #76

Yes! We need to continue telling schumer that! Think. Again. Mar 2025 #107

Exactly Cirsium Mar 2025 #173

We elect them to the House or Senate. BunkieBandit Mar 2025 #78

As a lifelong Democrat I want my party to be the best it can. I want it to win. I want it to be strong and Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #82

+1000! Think. Again. Mar 2025 #108

Excellent BlueKota Mar 2025 #110

+8 Emile Mar 2025 #121

+1 leftstreet Mar 2025 #143

A perfect statement! Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #145

Well said Cirsium Mar 2025 #174

Yes! Please point the guns of our rage in the right direction! pat_k Mar 2025 #96

Strengthening our forces IS .... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #109

Authoritarians, yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #180

So, no criticism Bettie Mar 2025 #97

The constant insistence by the very few that there's nothing our leaders can do that they aren't doing is moronic. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #133

Criticism is fine as long as it is directed to the "right people" apparently SunImp Mar 2025 #267

I only attack centrists that vote with the Republican majority. Emile Mar 2025 #99

That's fair SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #125

So never criticize a Democrat HereForTheParty Mar 2025 #124

We need to get people into leadership that will actually give a damn and do something erodriguez Mar 2025 #127

To be clear. Attacking the Democratic voters is okay but hands off elected Democrats? Autumn Mar 2025 #131

10 elected Democrats. The rest, by implication, are just as bad as we are. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #134

Seems a bit ass backwards to me. We elect Dems to look out for us and our needs. Autumn Mar 2025 #137

It's funny that most Duers recing the op have done what the op asked them not to do SunImp Mar 2025 #271

Yes indeed Patton French Mar 2025 #135

What you call "attacks on Democrats" is actually us desperately begging our leaders to attack Trump and Musk. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #136

While I agree, I'm not down with Dems who are AllyCat Mar 2025 #138

I'm against anybody that enables what is happening. Opbrg Mar 2025 #156

It is unfortunate but quite predictable, the circular firing squad that is. The catalyst is "it is all Schumer's fault" JohnSJ Mar 2025 #158

Yes, predictable. MineralMan Mar 2025 #160

I recall how most here were calling for Jefferies and the Democrats in the House not to help mccarthy retain his JohnSJ Mar 2025 #170

Some "Democrats" need to be taken to the woodshed RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #177

That is for the voters in his state to do. MineralMan Mar 2025 #178

I'm hearing AOC might challenge him in the primaries RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #183

Yes, so I've read. MineralMan Mar 2025 #185

I'm not living in NY State, either. RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #188

So, how well do you know Senator Schumer's record as a Senator? MineralMan Mar 2025 #189

Meh RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #192

OK, I see...never mind... MineralMan Mar 2025 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #199

Oh no, that requires thinking. Name-calling & bashing Democratic scapegoat caricatures is much more fun! betsuni Mar 2025 #194

Well, I thought I'd try, anyhow. MineralMan Mar 2025 #197

I agree. hay rick Mar 2025 #184

Thanks. I'm certainly not alone in that. MineralMan Mar 2025 #186

We're only as strong as our weakest link. Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #204

Schumer and nine Democrats proved that. Emile Mar 2025 #207

Yes! wryter2000 Mar 2025 #214

Yes, MM! peggysue2 Mar 2025 #226

Thank you! MineralMan Mar 2025 #229

When I was growing up, my brother told me some can be so leftwing, that they become rightwing. C Moon Mar 2025 #235

Well, not exactly, but political extremes can start looking alike MineralMan Mar 2025 #239

Attacking other democrats only helps Musk and trump LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #236

Yup. MineralMan Mar 2025 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #240

Of course we can discuss anything you like. MineralMan Mar 2025 #241

Everyone here Cirsium Mar 2025 #245

I respectfully disagree. MineralMan Mar 2025 #248

Really? Cirsium Mar 2025 #251

Thank you for your response, MineralMan. Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #288

Totally agree DownriverDem Mar 2025 #242

I agree with this 100%. Martin68 Mar 2025 #249

A comparison of the two political parties LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #250

Schumer is perceived as weak and manipulatable by the Reps awesomerwb1 Mar 2025 #259

I have to say that this thread seems very bizarre to me. I see people expressing opinions Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #264

Great points mvd Mar 2025 #269

Musk and Trump were fellow Democrats! gulliver Mar 2025 #273

Knowledge is a wonderful thing stillcool Mar 2025 #277

Agree. betsuni Mar 2025 #289

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2025 #283

Did you sign up for the short term or long term membership? You might GP6971 Mar 2025 #284

Kick again Hekate Mar 2025 #286

What are you protecting them from? Passages Mar 2025 #295

The truth hurts GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #299

Mineral Man - Looking at where this thread has gone, I can feel your exasperation. EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #302

Actually, I feel that this thread is a success. MineralMan Mar 2025 #303

You're right of course. Let's be optimistic and hope that some opinions get changed....... EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #305

Don't own a truck. MineralMan Mar 2025 #306

Ok, then this will be a test of my 77 year old noodle. Was it a Ford Ranger that you replaced the rear window? EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #307