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Cirsium

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252. The Democrats, always

Sun Mar 23, 2025, 04:04 PM

Mar 2025

Democrats will always be blamed, no matter what we do. We get blamed for things we didn't do, and or things that didn't happen.

We are truly lost if we try to base what we do on the hope of avoiding blame.

"Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.

"I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master."

FDR
Address at Madison Square Garden, New York City
October 31, 1936

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/address-madison-square-garden-new-york-city-1

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Please Attack Trump and Musk - Not Democrats. Please. [View all] MineralMan Mar 2025 OP

Unfortunately.... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #1

I promise you that what you are doing MineralMan Mar 2025 #3

I'd argue that the division achieved by recent Senate actions was more damaging to the Party... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #5

Argue with Trump and Republicans MineralMan Mar 2025 #6

That sounds futile, besides we try to pick the strongest Dem Representatives to do that. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #7

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 2025 #12

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #17

What has Schumer said? Nixie Mar 2025 #29

I wouldn't want to mistate his words or paraphrase him... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #31

If you are so against what he said, it seems you would know what Nixie Mar 2025 #33

I have only stated that I am against the division he caused within the Party... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #39

You were lamenting his talk show appearances apparently Nixie Mar 2025 #65

Lamenting? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #72

You were dismissive of his talk show appearances. Nixie Mar 2025 #73

Was I? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #74

Dismissive from your first post on this thread.... Nixie Mar 2025 #75

Just ignore them -they'll go back under the bridge soon enough AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #77

Yes, it's at that point. Nixie Mar 2025 #91

Been that way for years... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #95

So, help me understand... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #84

You can read the thread to see. That's how I read your responses. Nixie Mar 2025 #90

Oh, I see, ... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #98

Another familiar distraction--pivoting to discuss me instead of your Nixie Mar 2025 #203

It was not me who tried to hijack my statements by adding an unstated meaning. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #209

Excuses Nixie Mar 2025 #212

Weird. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #213

Weird that you would criticize a politician without actually listening Nixie Mar 2025 #216

Weird you think my saying he's on tv is a criticism. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #217

Weird you would think implying his talk show appearances were Nixie Mar 2025 #219

I don't watch tv. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #220

Then how did you know Schumer was on all the talk shows? Nixie Mar 2025 #222

I have internet, silly. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #224

Amazing that the talk shows are on the internet where you Nixie Mar 2025 #232

Weird you would criticize his "actions" in the Senate Nixie Mar 2025 #223

His reasoning was told to us before the vote, unfortunately... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #225

Another derogatory post about Schumer? Or is this one positive? Nixie Mar 2025 #234

YES, MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #253

I understand Schumers argument for voting to keep government open but fail to understand the vigorous criticism of it. Mtnmama Mar 2025 #132

Not really Cirsium Mar 2025 #148

Good point. We say we are fighting for democracy but when some of it happens within MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #172

Yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #187

I totally agree. Schumer's reasoning was actually very Nixie Mar 2025 #206

Schumer completely mishandled the messaging crimycarny Mar 2025 #276

Exactly why schumer should never have .... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #208

You never listened to what Schumer had to say about his Nixie Mar 2025 #215

It's Schumer's bungling of the message crimycarny Mar 2025 #278

The OP Cirsium Mar 2025 #243

Wrong. The OP doesn't mention Schumer. Post 5 is where Nixie Mar 2025 #246

Oh, come on Cirsium Mar 2025 #247

"Current controversies" that's the point and you seem to Nixie Mar 2025 #258

And if the government was shut down right now, whom would be criticized Walleye Mar 2025 #179

The Democrats, always Cirsium Mar 2025 #252

Please Think Again... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 2025 #227

Well Schumer didn't advise potential candidates to run against Democrats as independents lapucelle Mar 2025 #85

Observe the pile-on that did happen to POTUS Joe Biden. nt PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #89

Thank goodness Schumer wasn't encouraging people to Nixie Mar 2025 #93

Sanders always warns voters not to throw their votes away MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #168

His latest quotes that I responded to were encouraging Nixie Mar 2025 #200

Just a quick reminder that Sanders is an Independent. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #101

No one needs to be reminded. lapucelle Mar 2025 #113

Watch out SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #116

Yes, it gets weird in here sometimes. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #119

If our leaders or the ones we elected don't do what must be done what Autumn Mar 2025 #71

There appear to be folks who are angry that keeping the federal courts open lapucelle Mar 2025 #118

I'd bet $10 and a coffeecake that if gov. had shut down the screaming about why didn't Democrats stop betsuni Mar 2025 #122

We warned people what would happen if they sat out this election lapucelle Mar 2025 #123

Sadly, some well-meaning folks apparently don't know how US prez elections work. RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #157

Irrelevant Cirsium Mar 2025 #256

Where in my post do I refer to people "here"? RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #260

I could be wrong Cirsium Mar 2025 #262

You are wrong, and you did accuse me RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #265

I stand by what I said Cirsium Mar 2025 #268

It is not false when you have people directly attacking Dem leaders RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #270

Of course it is Cirsium Mar 2025 #272

Bullshit. RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #274

No worries Cirsium Mar 2025 #275

So there it is. The motivation for attacking Schumer is about the war Nixie Mar 2025 #294

What? Cirsium Mar 2025 #297

You brought up "feud." Almost all your posts in this thread misrepresent Nixie Mar 2025 #298

Yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #300

You determining what's "honest"? I'll have to pass. Nixie Mar 2025 #301

OK Cirsium Mar 2025 #304

Progressives/moderates, which is the majority of the party. Emile Mar 2025 #296

Red herring Cirsium Mar 2025 #255

Not a chance Cirsium Mar 2025 #254

This! mcar Mar 2025 #151

If the government shut down, I'm pretty sure they would use it as an excuse to cut off our Social Security benefits Walleye Mar 2025 #181

And Senate Democrats would have been blamed. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #195

Absolutely Walleye Mar 2025 #196

Yes! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #257

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 2025 #13

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #15

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 2025 #14

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #16

Repetitive attacks on a Democrat MineralMan Mar 2025 #23

I will continue discussing with fellow Democrats improving the representatives we have. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #24

They get pressure from the big corporate donors and from the MAGA fascists. We have to apply MORE pressure Bluetus Mar 2025 #87

Well said. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #88

How is shutting down the government "fighting for our democracy"? lapucelle Mar 2025 #126

The courts are ALREADY lost Bluetus Mar 2025 #139

The federal courts are not closed, nor are they "lost". lapucelle Mar 2025 #140

The courts are neither lost nor closed. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #176

You can just see the artificial and dangerously superficial talking Nixie Mar 2025 #211

We have to give them the tools WyLoochka Mar 2025 #237

You are attacking Democrats Cirsium Mar 2025 #149

We haven't had anything like leadership for 50 years. Bluetus Mar 2025 #55

I agree. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #57

Barack Obama wasn't a leader? mcar Mar 2025 #66

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #86

That's not being fair to Nancy Pelosi Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #142

I agree with this up to a point. The problem, as I see it, is not one of policy, or the Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #146

I remember in Trump's first term after the disastrous ag tariffs, a reporter, Rolling Stone IIRC, went to farm country CrispyQ Mar 2025 #198

Yes. That's why I get so frustrated. We do all the right things for them, except for telling Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #202

The dems should have hired George Lakoff back when the repubs hired Frank Luntz. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2025 #218

Then run for office, LEADER. RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #161

Tip O'Neill was amazing Polybius Mar 2025 #285

You got that right. Can't rec your post enough. Autumn Mar 2025 #69

Are you suggesting we ignore the obvious problems stoned Mar 2025 #61

Nothing is perfect. MineralMan Mar 2025 #63

If we work to improve our party stoned Mar 2025 #64

Nothing is perfect Cirsium Mar 2025 #153

It has always been thus. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #191

We can't. Bernie in the Senate and AOC in the house are showin us the way... we should follow THEIR lead!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #79

You're not strengthen. You're weakening. paleotn Mar 2025 #162

I disagree... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #163

You're not taking into account all the facts. paleotn Mar 2025 #205

Are you suggesting schumer... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #210

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #221

I'm obsessing? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #230

Yes paleotn Mar 2025 #231

Low blow Cirsium Mar 2025 #244

AGREED DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #228

There in lies the problem we have Democrats that are living in doc03 Mar 2025 #2

And yet, they reliably vote for Democrats. MineralMan Mar 2025 #4

Some have recently voted for .... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #8

Seriously, Democrats that vote for Democrats consistently are never antagonized? PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #92

It doesn't have to be either/or senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #9

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #10

You want Bernie and MM in jail? senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #11

"I will not be broken up if Trump/Musk end up deporting him or throwing him in jail for a while." JonAndKatePlusABird Mar 2025 #18

They are indeed not Democrats. MineralMan Mar 2025 #19

Party over principles? n/t xocetaceans Mar 2025 #50

No, they are not Democrats. soldierant Mar 2025 #54

I believe that open discussion is essential in a Democracy. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #103

Agreed. But right now we don't have a democracy. soldierant Mar 2025 #282

We still do, but we must fight to keep it. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #287

You support Trump sending people to prison because you don''t like them? Autumn Mar 2025 #111

+1 Emile Mar 2025 #115

Many have offered opinions...NOT bashing... Bread and Circuses Mar 2025 #20

Sorry but if I wish to criticise (within TOS boundaries) Dems doing things I disagree with (ie Fetterman etc) I'll do so Celerity Mar 2025 #21

Try spending equal time MineralMan Mar 2025 #25

How about you stop trying to police the site iemanja Mar 2025 #45

I attack Trump/Rethugs far more than I criticise Dems. Please don't condescendingly tell me to 'do something useful'. Celerity Mar 2025 #128

I'm going to multitask crimycarny Mar 2025 #280

Who are you? erodriguez Mar 2025 #129

See my profile. MineralMan Mar 2025 #155

Out of bounds Cirsium Mar 2025 #154

I attack Trump and Republicans all the time. If a Democrat votes with Trump I'm going to Autumn Mar 2025 #114

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #22

LOL! MineralMan Mar 2025 #26

I'm torn on this one. William769 Mar 2025 #27

BINGO, WE HAVE A WINNA!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #34

THANK YOU Skittles Mar 2025 #35

Well, some of us. William769 Mar 2025 #48

I think criticizing elected Democrats for certain mcar Mar 2025 #68

I totally agree with you. William769 Mar 2025 #83

You criticize, you don't bash, Bill mcar Mar 2025 #150

Well it did last night. William769 Mar 2025 #152

"spineless, corrupt, useless" Cirsium Mar 2025 #159

Are they current elected Democrats? mcar Mar 2025 #164

OK Cirsium Mar 2025 #182

There absolutely is mcar Mar 2025 #190

Vague charges Cirsium Mar 2025 #201

Yep....BTW,should we have also not said a word about Manchin? How about Fetterman? Bengus81 Mar 2025 #279

criticize vs. bash William769 Mar 2025 #281

Seems to be all in the eyes of the beholder now doesn't it? Bengus81 Mar 2025 #290

No, not really. it's pretty clear. William769 Mar 2025 #291

LOL...criticize vs bash? Many would tell you it's the exact same thing,or frame it to be the same. Bengus81 Mar 2025 #292

Anyone that knows me on this board knows I have called for Schumer to step down as Senate Minority Leader. William769 Mar 2025 #293

I keep my (verbal only) fire trained at Trump, Musk, and the GOP cult Dem4life1970 Mar 2025 #28

Feet to the fire Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #30

Schumer needs to get off the book-promoting tour and Hakeem needs to show some resistance also. They are utterly silent Evolve Dammit Mar 2025 #32

Really? mcar Mar 2025 #70

Senator Schumer is not on a "book promoting tour". lapucelle Mar 2025 #94

Yes, schumer "postponed" his book tour to respond to his constituent's concerns... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #104

That would mean that Sanders should be in Vermont and AOC should be in Queens lapucelle Mar 2025 #112

I believe elected representatives are allowed... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #117

So Senator Schumer is responding to the needs of his constituents, but Sanders and AOC are not, lapucelle Mar 2025 #120

Why do say Sanders and AOC aren't responding to the needs of their constituents? Think. Again. Mar 2025 #130

There's a poster running around reminding folks that Sanders is an Independent rather than a Democrat. lapucelle Mar 2025 #175

You have the patience of a saint. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #263

I do voice my disgust with Trump and Musk BlueKota Mar 2025 #36

Elected democrats.. Escape Mar 2025 #37

But fetterman IS an elected Democrat. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #105

You are picking and choosing Cirsium Mar 2025 #165

I will always vote Democratic in the General. But I think Schumer and the other nine Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #38

Very well put BlueKota Mar 2025 #51

Just today I was remembering 2011 - Wisconsin Act 10 protests and how Dem senators Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 2025 #40

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Mar 2025 #106

Of course Cirsium Mar 2025 #166

You are lliterally going after Democrats with this thread. Gore1FL Mar 2025 #41

THIS +1 Emile Mar 2025 #102

Correct Cirsium Mar 2025 #169

The only enemy is fascism iemanja Mar 2025 #42

"GO AFTER TRUMP, MUSK, AND REPUBLICANS,. NOT FELLOW DEMOCRATS!" J_William_Ryan Mar 2025 #43

No one should get a pass just because they have a D behind their name. flashman13 Mar 2025 #44

They certainly aren't getting a pass from Bernie and AOC... true leaders in every sense of the word!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #80

Attacking Trump and Musk wont have permanence, but neither would attacking the party SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #46

Yes, it's definitely an impulse that needs to be brought under control. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #47

United we stand divided we fall kimbutgar Mar 2025 #49

Putin bdamomma Mar 2025 #81

United we stand divided we fall. The ten senators who divided away from the party as proof. Emile Mar 2025 #100

Right Cirsium Mar 2025 #171

For those interested in the Democrats Progressive Scorecard chowder66 Mar 2025 #52

No, some Democrats deserve it alarimer Mar 2025 #53

What about you? Cirsium Mar 2025 #56

Excellent response Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #144

It IS getting out of hand. There's a desperation behind it, holding the wrong feet to a huge Republican fire, betsuni Mar 2025 #58

Damn! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #266

100%. Simon Rosenberg mentioned this too. It's important! mahina Mar 2025 #59

Democratic Leadership Wodin56 Mar 2025 #60

As long as I keep seeing posts pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #62

You overlook one important point Gimpyknee Mar 2025 #147

Yeah, facts and track record absolutely disgust me too RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #167

I'm curious. Littlered Mar 2025 #233

It's not. I want the best person for the job. pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #261

There are some internal issues that need to be resolved. Renew Deal Mar 2025 #67

Yes bdamomma Mar 2025 #76

Yes! We need to continue telling schumer that! Think. Again. Mar 2025 #107

Exactly Cirsium Mar 2025 #173

We elect them to the House or Senate. BunkieBandit Mar 2025 #78

As a lifelong Democrat I want my party to be the best it can. I want it to win. I want it to be strong and Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #82

+1000! Think. Again. Mar 2025 #108

Excellent BlueKota Mar 2025 #110

+8 Emile Mar 2025 #121

+1 leftstreet Mar 2025 #143

A perfect statement! Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #145

Well said Cirsium Mar 2025 #174

Yes! Please point the guns of our rage in the right direction! pat_k Mar 2025 #96

Strengthening our forces IS .... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #109

Authoritarians, yes Cirsium Mar 2025 #180

So, no criticism Bettie Mar 2025 #97

The constant insistence by the very few that there's nothing our leaders can do that they aren't doing is moronic. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #133

Criticism is fine as long as it is directed to the "right people" apparently SunImp Mar 2025 #267

I only attack centrists that vote with the Republican majority. Emile Mar 2025 #99

That's fair SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #125

So never criticize a Democrat HereForTheParty Mar 2025 #124

We need to get people into leadership that will actually give a damn and do something erodriguez Mar 2025 #127

To be clear. Attacking the Democratic voters is okay but hands off elected Democrats? Autumn Mar 2025 #131

10 elected Democrats. The rest, by implication, are just as bad as we are. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #134

Seems a bit ass backwards to me. We elect Dems to look out for us and our needs. Autumn Mar 2025 #137

It's funny that most Duers recing the op have done what the op asked them not to do SunImp Mar 2025 #271

Yes indeed Patton French Mar 2025 #135

What you call "attacks on Democrats" is actually us desperately begging our leaders to attack Trump and Musk. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #136

While I agree, I'm not down with Dems who are AllyCat Mar 2025 #138

I'm against anybody that enables what is happening. Opbrg Mar 2025 #156

It is unfortunate but quite predictable, the circular firing squad that is. The catalyst is "it is all Schumer's fault" JohnSJ Mar 2025 #158

Yes, predictable. MineralMan Mar 2025 #160

I recall how most here were calling for Jefferies and the Democrats in the House not to help mccarthy retain his JohnSJ Mar 2025 #170

Some "Democrats" need to be taken to the woodshed RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #177

That is for the voters in his state to do. MineralMan Mar 2025 #178

I'm hearing AOC might challenge him in the primaries RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #183

Yes, so I've read. MineralMan Mar 2025 #185

I'm not living in NY State, either. RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #188

So, how well do you know Senator Schumer's record as a Senator? MineralMan Mar 2025 #189

Meh RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #192

OK, I see...never mind... MineralMan Mar 2025 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author RazorbackExpat Mar 2025 #199

Oh no, that requires thinking. Name-calling & bashing Democratic scapegoat caricatures is much more fun! betsuni Mar 2025 #194

Well, I thought I'd try, anyhow. MineralMan Mar 2025 #197

I agree. hay rick Mar 2025 #184

Thanks. I'm certainly not alone in that. MineralMan Mar 2025 #186

We're only as strong as our weakest link. Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #204

Schumer and nine Democrats proved that. Emile Mar 2025 #207

Yes! wryter2000 Mar 2025 #214

Yes, MM! peggysue2 Mar 2025 #226

Thank you! MineralMan Mar 2025 #229

When I was growing up, my brother told me some can be so leftwing, that they become rightwing. C Moon Mar 2025 #235

Well, not exactly, but political extremes can start looking alike MineralMan Mar 2025 #239

Attacking other democrats only helps Musk and trump LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #236

Yup. MineralMan Mar 2025 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #240

Of course we can discuss anything you like. MineralMan Mar 2025 #241

Everyone here Cirsium Mar 2025 #245

I respectfully disagree. MineralMan Mar 2025 #248

Really? Cirsium Mar 2025 #251

Thank you for your response, MineralMan. Buddyzbuddy Mar 2025 #288

Totally agree DownriverDem Mar 2025 #242

I agree with this 100%. Martin68 Mar 2025 #249

A comparison of the two political parties LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #250

Schumer is perceived as weak and manipulatable by the Reps awesomerwb1 Mar 2025 #259

I have to say that this thread seems very bizarre to me. I see people expressing opinions Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #264

Great points mvd Mar 2025 #269

Musk and Trump were fellow Democrats! gulliver Mar 2025 #273

Knowledge is a wonderful thing stillcool Mar 2025 #277

Agree. betsuni Mar 2025 #289

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2025 #283

Did you sign up for the short term or long term membership? You might GP6971 Mar 2025 #284

Kick again Hekate Mar 2025 #286

What are you protecting them from? Passages Mar 2025 #295

The truth hurts GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #299

Mineral Man - Looking at where this thread has gone, I can feel your exasperation. EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #302

Actually, I feel that this thread is a success. MineralMan Mar 2025 #303

You're right of course. Let's be optimistic and hope that some opinions get changed....... EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #305

Don't own a truck. MineralMan Mar 2025 #306

Ok, then this will be a test of my 77 year old noodle. Was it a Ford Ranger that you replaced the rear window? EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #307