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26. NBER defines recession differently, and more reasonably from an economist's perspective.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 09:55 AM
Apr 2025

the "two quarters of negative growth" definition is more what the media latches on to because it's simple, but obviously leaves much to be desired. first and foremost, the arbitrary cutoff dates of the quarters can mask major changes in economic activity. in this case, we very likely contracted in march, but january's activity (including a big build-up of inventories in advance of anticipated tariffs) may have been enough to make the first quarter as a whole positive, even if contraction started in march or even mid-to-late february.

here's NBER's take, from their q&a:

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https://www.nber.org/research/business-cycle-dating/business-cycle-dating-procedure-frequently-asked-questions

Q: What is a recession? What is an expansion?

A: The NBER's traditional definition of a recession is that it is a significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and that lasts more than a few months. The committee's view is that while each of the three criteria—depth, diffusion, and duration—needs to be met individually to some degree, extreme conditions revealed by one criterion may partially offset weaker indications from another. For example, in the case of the February 2020 peak in economic activity, we concluded that the drop in activity had been so great and so widely diffused throughout the economy that the downturn should be classified as a recession even if it proved to be quite brief. The committee subsequently determined that the trough occurred two months after the peak, in April 2020. An expansion is a period when the economy is not in a recession. Expansion is the normal state of the economy; most recessions are brief. However, the time that it takes for the economy to return to its previous peak level of activity may be quite extended.
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the covid contractions is a great example. it was the sharpest contraction america has ever had. it would be ridiculous to ignore it simply because it didn't last 6 months or 2 quarters.

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We are in a recession [View all] WSHazel Apr 2025 OP
Trump::: "Only the weak will fail." --- 'It's your fault, peasant.' Norrrm Apr 2025 #1
Quite possibly true, although won't be officially called until sometime in Q3 Fiendish Thingy Apr 2025 #2
Not just two negative GDP quarters... WarGamer Apr 2025 #3
When did Biden have two neg Quarters? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2025 #7
Here's the headline of the time. WarGamer Apr 2025 #10
Stock market tanked in 2022 MichMan Apr 2025 #27
The market will not care what he calls it. WSHazel Apr 2025 #4
The contraction likely began mid-to-late February, march was worse, and the tariff nonsense is just a disaster. unblock Apr 2025 #5
I agree it started in Q1 Fiendish Thingy Apr 2025 #6
Putin has ordered Donnie to inflict maximum pain. unblock Apr 2025 #13
Well, he is certainly solidifying China's position as world power. travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #24
I'm don't think Donnie has a clue. unblock Apr 2025 #25
you need to start posting more, WSHazel Skittles Apr 2025 #8
Thank you WSHazel Apr 2025 #14
scary times Skittles Apr 2025 #17
I am more corporate finance WSHazel Apr 2025 #19
it's getting crazy! Skittles Apr 2025 #30
Note a very subtle difference in meaning. Igel Apr 2025 #9
When Black Rock's CEO states we may be in a recession WSHazel Apr 2025 #15
We are only in the late 2007 chapter of this one. roamer65 Apr 2025 #11
Yes, we're in the "Creaking Noises Coming From 2 Bear Stearns CDO Funds" Phase. hatrack Apr 2025 #12
I wish I could rec this more than once WSHazel Apr 2025 #16
The liquidity crisis in the next few weeks or less. roamer65 Apr 2025 #18
what does that mean? onethatcares Apr 2025 #20
How is he defining "recession"? onenote Apr 2025 #21
Normal definition WSHazel Apr 2025 #23
NBER defines recession differently, and more reasonably from an economist's perspective. unblock Apr 2025 #26
Pretty much all my retirement is in Wall Street... Happy Hoosier Apr 2025 #22
Looking at my losses, I believe we are in a recession. Emile Apr 2025 #28
Cnbc's David Faber and Steve Liesman have been honest flamingdem Apr 2025 #29
CNBC was cheerleading for Trump in January WSHazel Apr 2025 #31
They see what his policies are doing to the stock market flamingdem Apr 2025 #32
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