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Sympthsical

(11,120 posts)
26. Depends on the young person
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 06:40 PM
Apr 2025

I know people - particularly here - don't want to hear it, but the path forward is to move left on economics and moderate on social issues.

Unfortunately, "young" progressivism seems to be monopolized by people who think we're not to the left enough socially while only throwing a fig leaf in the direction of economics. Remember, the first time Bernie ran, the main attack against him was that he was somehow racist because he kept focusing on economic issues.

That impulse in the party needs to be shit-canned, and I don't see any signs that younger people who live on social media all day will manage it. I've said it before, I'll say it again - the activist tail is wagging the party dog, and that is incredibly problematic from an electoral perspective. American voters who should be voting for us for economic and greater policy reasons see a lot of our loonier social positions and bail. Because that's the face we wear - the activist face. And most Americans just don't identify with it.

And when they don't identify with you, they don't vote for you.

But until people are ready to have that conversation - and after 10 years of eroding power, they still think doubling down is the way forward - then we're going to have our problems.

And if you think we're in a mess now, wait til the 2030 census kicks in. It's going to be a total shitshow for us. We should be laying a hardcore economic policy base right now so we are prepared to combat what will be a more electorally difficult 2030s for us.

But nah. We just talk about the crap that alienates people all over the map. So Twitter and Bluesky feel self-satisfied and righteous.

On the bright side, Trump is so awful at the moment, I think 2026 is going to kind of win itself. I'm not saying be complacent, but I think the conversation we should be having about the party's future is going to be delayed due to how easy Trump may make things for us. People will mistake that for not having to change a thing. When it may very well mean just the opposite in the medium term. Then 2030 comes, and then we get wrecked because we didn't adjust.

I dunno. I just don't feel good about things right now. We're just in this place where people cannot, will not, and actively resist learning. The Bubble is more fortified than ever. And it's going to kill this country. It's gotten us to this point. Why shouldn't it keep going?

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Smart phones are sneaky snaking blame the democrats links every day. So investigate that. GreenWave Apr 2025 #1
I don't think the Dems need a purity purge led by Hogg. comradebillyboy Apr 2025 #2
Or anyone else of whatever wing of the party. Ping Tung Apr 2025 #10
I wonder if we know enough about the opposition to make an accurate judgment bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #3
Money is their edge, including the far-reaching influence of money above and beyond free and fair elections. KPN Apr 2025 #5
This is ForgedCrank Apr 2025 #16
Both sides? Cirsium Apr 2025 #17
I find ForgedCrank Apr 2025 #22
I quoted you Cirsium Apr 2025 #23
Ok, then ForgedCrank Apr 2025 #25
"OK then" what? Cirsium Apr 2025 #28
Well, you ForgedCrank Apr 2025 #30
The first line? Cirsium Apr 2025 #39
If one side... mr715 Apr 2025 #32
My point ForgedCrank Apr 2025 #35
Totally understood mr715 Apr 2025 #40
I don't know enough about what specific Democrats would be primaried in Hogg's view. I do know AOC got her seat by KPN Apr 2025 #4
Listening to Jefferies this morning on This Week with Snuffalufagus I say ...YES Autumn Apr 2025 #6
Thank you for this thoughtful post, kentuck. democrank Apr 2025 #7
We need more David Hoggs and fewer James Carvilles ibegurpard Apr 2025 #8
Clueless. Again -- the reasons the oligarchs are in power now is because of this kind of sabotage. Nixie Apr 2025 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author mr715 Apr 2025 #33
I don't like the smirk. mr715 Apr 2025 #34
As always the party needs to find candidates and platforms that Ping Tung Apr 2025 #9
End 3rd way, no more billionaire control. Hogg is right Blue Full Moon Apr 2025 #12
Outreach to men. Focus on core issues. Center normies. gulliver Apr 2025 #13
Of course not. Losing is best. Iggo Apr 2025 #14
Wholesale changes. WarGamer Apr 2025 #15
To win the next round, Democrats will need votes from former Trump voters and independents dalton99a Apr 2025 #18
They need to get back the 6+mil who didn't vote Harris n/t leftstreet Apr 2025 #20
Much better messaging about who we are, duh Prairie_Seagull Apr 2025 #19
One thing, we need to stop running just against trump. We needed a Dem Project 2025. Now we need a Project 2026/2028. Silent Type Apr 2025 #21
Goldilocks obsession with finding just the right young good candidates who will say and do just the right things betsuni Apr 2025 #24
Nailed it again, betsuni. Hogg is being handed $20 million that Nixie Apr 2025 #44
Depends on the young person Sympthsical Apr 2025 #26
given the results of the last election and their current approval rating Skittles Apr 2025 #27
I, for one, would like to see more fucking True Dough Apr 2025 #36
I know my cussing is getting out of hand lately....... Skittles Apr 2025 #37
Go for broke, Skittles! True Dough Apr 2025 #38
We didn't win and have limited opportunity to retake the Senate EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #29
David Hogg needs to pump his breaks mr715 Apr 2025 #31
The GOP wins on public resentment PATRICK Apr 2025 #41
Yes. When? Twenty years ago. Seeking Serenity Apr 2025 #42
We need to get out of our own world and start relating better to the 40% who are not registered as everyonematters Apr 2025 #43
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