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DollarBillHines

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83. Really, you got proof?

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:20 AM

Dec 2012

At what distance? A 6" shot is sorta out of the question.

7 1/2 doesn't get thru 1/2" of dove. Must be pretty shitty drywall. Who the hell uses 1/2" drywall, anyway? Our house is 3/4" flame resistant.

For those who haven't been in bad situations...

In home, you never take a shot without understanding the situation. It's your house, you have the drop.

That is one factor why our bedroom is at the back of the house.

Guns kill family members because they shoot their own, either accidentally or on crazy. Unfortunately, a lot of gun owners have no business being around firearms - they are just either stupid or inept.

I am not a gun nut, I totally support the action to ban assault rifles and I think that there should be a rigorous background check and waiting period on all firearm sales. If those scurvy arms purveyors at those fucking shows had to ship those guns, the game would change.

I despise what we have become. The US culture is sick, through and through.

We are our own enemy.

If I knew how, I would be praying for those Newtown Families.

If I can remember to do so, I would like to send you a PM of something that happened to me.

DBH

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I did the right thing today for home protection, I purchased a [View all] crazyjoe Dec 2012 OP

Big gun corporations love you... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #1

Perfect weapon for home protection. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #2

This is probably not the time.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #7

The best part is the shot stays in the walls n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #14

I changed... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #17

Actually it doesn't ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #72

I'm not for outdoor lighting. All those carbon emissions and fairly ineffective FarCenter Dec 2012 #22

You're joking, right? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #24

No, when the lights were out after Sandy there was very little movement of people or crime at night. FarCenter Dec 2012 #58

you are my new hero and bff. seriously. galileoreloaded Dec 2012 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #91

Tell that to my truck that was broken into twice snooper2 Dec 2012 #105

It's been shown that outdoor lighting is a deterrent to crime. Criminals like the dark. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #158

Actually it is an inferior choice for many reasons ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25

A shotgun has wide area coverage. It is perfect in my view because you are sure to hit an bluestate10 Dec 2012 #54

Not inside a house it is does not ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #69

Depends how it's choked, doesn't it? intaglio Dec 2012 #89

Not really, not that close up ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #90

Using as an example an unchoked scatter to belittle a persons coice of weapon intaglio Dec 2012 #128

The context was a claim that shotgun pattern is wide enough at household ranges to insure hitting ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #129

Shotguns are MAX lethal, NOT less lethal... GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #151

At close enough ranges you get unburned powder and the wad in the wound ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #167

Inside the house that is almost certain. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #187

It's the BEST choice for a very simple reason... Mel Content Dec 2012 #76

If they are close enough to hear it, you are in a bad tactical situation ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #77

If someone is trying to get in your front door and you load a round in a pump shotgun.. bamacrat Dec 2012 #199

Assuming of course that they can hear things ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #206

I don't like semi auto handguns for home protection mainly because crazyjoe Dec 2012 #131

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #157

I don't think pumping 15 rounds into an intruder is going to look good at trial :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #162

yeah...but it beats his story of you asking him to come in to help you move your TV at 3AM WVMountaineers Dec 2012 #163

Really depends on the circumstances...locking on the trigger is not unknown under stress ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #170

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #171

No it is not ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #175

I don't agree with this statement...... crazyjoe Dec 2012 #196

Been to shooter training. No one ever said shoot to wound. Hangingon Dec 2012 #202

I guess he's not a professor of weapons training :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #204

I teach firearms on the weekends ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #209

Quite right... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #208

I don't like it either... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #207

To each their own, but the opinion is nearly universal among instructors for both beginners ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #159

A shotgun can be an excellent choice, depends upon the situation. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #164

Actually ANY firearm, in the hands of a person who knows it well and practices WVMountaineers Dec 2012 #155

No such thing as perfect weapon cbrer Dec 2012 #59

All shotgun ammo goes through walls. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #80

Nothing like the sound of a shotgun being pumped Bake Dec 2012 #110

I have actually been looking for a high quality audio file of just that sound. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #116

Shotguns don't scatter that much. You still have to aim them. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #166

True, true (unless you saw off the barrel) Bake Dec 2012 #169

I got a dog! She won't let anyone in the house. Scares them off before they even get to the door. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #173

me too! AlecBGreen Dec 2012 #185

Yeah, we have several big dogs. renie408 Dec 2012 #194

Your screen name brucefan Dec 2012 #3

I caught total hell and am still being bullied and stalked for posting nearly the same thing. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #4

Expect nothing RegieRocker Dec 2012 #61

Yeah.. you couldn't even fucking wait till the bodies were cold SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #132

Derp RegieRocker Dec 2012 #136

I thought I might catch some flack, I don't care. I feel if a person wants to keep crazyjoe Dec 2012 #133

DU is like being in school again with the insulting jocks. L0oniX Dec 2012 #190

You are crazy joe. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #5

The unmistakeable sound of a shell being chambered in a pump action is usually all you need FarCenter Dec 2012 #6

Do tell. Robb Dec 2012 #10

What about the sound of an alarm? ecstatic Dec 2012 #12

Does an alarm kill? FarCenter Dec 2012 #15

Seriously though. Pumping that thing just exposes your position. Robb Dec 2012 #19

It's loaded by the time he hears the sound. FarCenter Dec 2012 #21

Why not just leave a quart of Hoppe's No. 9 on the porch? Robb Dec 2012 #40

That's a good one! guardian Dec 2012 #212

The speed of sound is pretty fast. Kaleva Dec 2012 #57

Yep, and you shoot while they are reacting. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #47

Do you stroke yourself slowly during this fantasy of yours? Care Acutely Dec 2012 #111

Breaking into his house isn't innocent. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #188

The clambering is far more effective. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #18

The would be classified as a Defensive Gun Use ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #28

It also lets them know exactly where you are and that might not be good. Kaleva Dec 2012 #56

It does let them know. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #93

You sound like you just can't WAIT!! Robb Dec 2012 #94

What? Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #97

And you'll be READY!! Robb Dec 2012 #98

Yes I will Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #104

Well put Lurker Deluxe. (cool name BTW) I got a bunch of nasty childish comments on this post, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #134

Sounds like you have a very good plan. Kaleva Dec 2012 #107

Exactly what storm is coming? HERVEPA Dec 2012 #8

Draco RomneyLies Dec 2012 #9

Illinois coyotes break into suburban homes? hedgehog Dec 2012 #29

Ever go to start the car in the morning and stare face to face with a coyote that's growling? RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30

Well, damn, are you sure it isn't a funny looking pit bull? hedgehog Dec 2012 #32

I was moderately concerned about the coyotes that share my woods because that's hedgehog Dec 2012 #34

I've been discussing on the rural forum how to spook the coyotes out hedgehog Dec 2012 #35

my problem is mountain lions DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #48

As is mine ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #74

Coyotes are not just a rural problem. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #81

I had a coyote trying to den build under my back deck Paulie Dec 2012 #92

Best way to discourage denning 2naSalit Dec 2012 #127

Not carrying a dead rabbit, but there are dozens of rabbits in the area RomneyLies Dec 2012 #36

Funny, when I first moved here to Texas we had coyotes in our yard ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #39

Fear. arcane1 Dec 2012 #11

I don't know, it just popped into my head when i was posting. :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #135

I know of an occasion where all it took was the sound Downwinder Dec 2012 #13

Do you? Because I believe it's a myth. Robb Dec 2012 #20

Bright idea. In a dark home you want to carry something that will reflect any available light to Whovian Dec 2012 #16

WOW, what a dumb thing to say. I'm not going to sneak around in the dark crazyjoe Dec 2012 #137

Gee, the use of the word DUmmy in this post makes wonder wher you might hale from. Whovian Dec 2012 #140

I was Crazy Joe long before Obama was elected, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #193

Nickle plated? Vinnie From Indy Dec 2012 #23

My thoughts, exactly. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #49

see post 137. you guys should start a club. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #138

A storm coming... Fuckin-A Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #26

why? please explain. Should you be able to own a gun? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #139

No, you did not do the right thing. Your home is now quantifiably less secure than before. baldguy Dec 2012 #27

Thanks for disagreeing without all the childish comments I see in other posts. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #141

Congratulations; here are some fun facts for you to ponder BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #31

Where are the facts? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #71

You want footnotes on a cartoon? baldguy Dec 2012 #143

I would settle for accurate numbers ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #160

They're the same numbers that have always been there; they haven't changed. baldguy Dec 2012 #176

Oh, I thought this was going to be one of those misleading posts... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #33

My guess was carriage light. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #45

Mastubation with a nickel-plated carriage light?! Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #51

Potentially electrifying allrevvedup Dec 2012 #62

To the point of the OP Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #66

Here's a nice brushed nickel one for $79.99: allrevvedup Dec 2012 #112

Ha, now that's kinda funny :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #142

Okay, few things. k2qb3 Dec 2012 #37

My thought was the projectiles would be greatly slowed if not stopped by a wall, so it crazyjoe Dec 2012 #144

Buckshot will certainly go through drywall. Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #177

I agree of course buckshot will penetrate drywall, probably like it isn't even there. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Toronto Dec 2012 #179

Your name fits. morningfog Dec 2012 #38

Hard to go wrong with a 12ga for HD. ileus Dec 2012 #41

What load are you going to use? The Link Dec 2012 #42

#2 will fuck up a person, but it will barely penetrate drywall. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #50

You guys are fucking dangerous. 7 1/2 birdshot will penetrate at least 4 sheets of interior drywall The Link Dec 2012 #63

Really, you got proof? DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #83

Its easy enough to determine...build some test boxes. It might surprise you, it did me. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #88

At 15 feet, a 12 gauge full choke #6 load blows a large hole through a 2 x 8 FarCenter Dec 2012 #109

ewwww.... AlecBGreen Dec 2012 #186

With a .22, skunks will spray before they die; there is less chance of spraying with a 12 gauge. FarCenter Dec 2012 #189

(channeling johnny carson) AlecBGreen Dec 2012 #191

You might want to look up or do your own testing ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #70

And who's using open (skeet) choke in a house? DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #86

Home defense barrels are open cylinder bore to have maximum spread ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #87

That's a fucked up thing to say, what's wrong with you? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #145

I miss unrec proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #43

me too I wish these posters would scurry rbrnmw Dec 2012 #85

It's like friggin' catnip... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #103

Wish we could put a whole thread on Ignore. llmart Dec 2012 #106

That is easily done ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #119

oh please, drama much? Not only did you not ignore my post, you participated!! crazyjoe Dec 2012 #147

Good choice, but I wouldn't worry about a round from an AK at 500 yards slackmaster Dec 2012 #44

it was a guess, I really have no idea. All I know is there powerful and the bullet can travel crazyjoe Dec 2012 #146

It's like bad porn. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #46

There's no such thing as bad porn... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #52

Shotguns are effective for dealing with home invasions. They are easy to load and simple to shoot. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #53

Cool where do I get a nickle plated shotgun? doc03 Dec 2012 #55

actually, I don't really know if it's nickel. The metal is a silver color, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #149

"good choice " but forget the pistol grip unless it has a stock attached behind it. former-republican Dec 2012 #172

agreed, the guy at the store said you can injure your hand using the pistol grip. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #195

I kind of hate the thought of storing a gun anywhere but a safe. former-republican Dec 2012 #203

Cool story, bro. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #60

Are you being sarcastic Will? Do you have an opinion you want to share? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #150

Just keep it secured. nt Union Scribe Dec 2012 #64

Nice going. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #65

No! No! You want the Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle! VOX Dec 2012 #67

Jason was my cousin. politicat Dec 2012 #68

... progressoid Dec 2012 #99

I'm sorry about your cousin, that sucks. I asked about non-lethal projectiles in the store when crazyjoe Dec 2012 #152

That is a really bad idea.. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #174

you make some good points, but I think you under estimate the effect crazyjoe Dec 2012 #198

I know rock salt can be hand-loaded. politicat Dec 2012 #181

If I ever wind up living out in the country with no street lights or close neighbors, kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #73

Shotgun inside a residence is a bad idea ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #75

Well when you live alone it's a nice thing - an intruder is kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #82

I mock you. hunter Dec 2012 #78

Since I live in an urban environment just as you do I agree. ... spin Dec 2012 #79

The only storm coning is the increase in gun sales to the paranoid AK47% DainBramaged Dec 2012 #95

The AK47%! Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #101

Oh, man. That's funny! Iggo Dec 2012 #125

I traded in two older guns I had for this one, (plus a little money), so I actually have less crazyjoe Dec 2012 #153

Where do you live? MineralMan Dec 2012 #96

And do you work first shift? (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #100

Hey! I asked first. MineralMan Dec 2012 #117

Connecticut already banned them, so he used a non-assault weapon Recursion Dec 2012 #102

A few months ago Dad and I found a bullet hole in the side of his house. They painted a couple years Erose999 Dec 2012 #108

You'll shoot your eye out Ralph! Generic Other Dec 2012 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #114

I feel the same way about the fire extinguisher in my kitchen slackmaster Dec 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #121

I'd piss on the blanket first slackmaster Dec 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #123

:-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #154

I hope and pray I never have to use it. I would rather have a gun and not need it, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #130

Make sure you practise sarisataka Dec 2012 #118

Congratulations! Zoeisright Dec 2012 #120

Why are you so mad and unhappy? has the world not givin you a fair shake? Try to cheer up, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #156

Boi-oi-oi-oi-oing!!! Iggo Dec 2012 #124

I too did the right thing for home protection and gave my doorman his holiday tip. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #126

hey, we can't all afford to live in a building that has a doorman! Are you a %1er ? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #161

Not at all. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #180

It is still pretty rare to be in a home invasion. Jennicut Dec 2012 #148

A good friend of mine is a woman who lives alone hifiguy Dec 2012 #165

If you really think you need a weapon for home defense, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #168

The lock and the shotgun are not mutually exclusive. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #178

True. But the lock has greater effectiveness and less liability. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #182

Of course he should have a good lock. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #184

The desire to protect yourself is understandable Toronto Dec 2012 #183

For me Go Vols Dec 2012 #192

I don't have kids living at home, but to your point, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #200

I thought you were going to say "dog". n/t demokatgurrl Dec 2012 #201

No, Only smart people buy dogs for home security. slampoet Dec 2012 #205

Dogs don't last in my neighborhood ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #210

I would have picked up a pair of bulldogs... brooklynite Dec 2012 #211

I don't think my cats would appreciate that :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #215

If you have a gun at home you need it under your pillow like 007 Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #213

There are any number of single pistol safes available ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #214