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83. Democrats aren't in lock-step like Republicans

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:57 AM

Dec 2012

so there will be Dem-voting gun lovers and Dem-voting gun haters. I accept that fact. I don't think one group will change the other. But I reserve the right to criticize anyone who still advocates FOR guns.

No serious hunter thinks they need a Bushmaster. They're not for hunting. They're for killing people. And each one of these massacres takes us further down the ladder of descent into social hell. And what's really depressing is that they only reflect the general level of gun violence in the US.

Gun violence is our American national disease and no matter what party we vote for, we are negligent and complicit if we do not speak out & work against it.

So Dems do NOT have to accept gun violence for fear of turning people away from the party. That is ridiculous. Hell, even Joe Scabro thinks this is shit. Why can't Dem gun owners get the message here?

And Rachel Maddow shooting some kind of antique musket at a target range does not impress me as a serious argument for guns.

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I am not a gun person. But for the gun persons, how about you speak out? [View all] Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 OP

Don't consider hunters as sportsmen. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #1

Here's your answer right here, Stinky, as to why hunters get tired of speaking up. Brickbat Dec 2012 #2

Yeah, I see that and hear that. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #3

Understood. Brickbat Dec 2012 #4

This is DU. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #5

"What annoys one the most will invariably come first." OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #9

The damn truth, right there. Brickbat Dec 2012 #10

I don't consider myself or my wife as "gun people". bvar22 Dec 2012 #74

A family member shot a 12 point buck on the property here a couple of weeks ago Fumesucker Dec 2012 #7

Some people take hunting way too far... ellisonz Dec 2012 #20

yep. That sums it up. IDoMath Dec 2012 #27

I went hunting once, with a friend. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #33

Well, arm the animals and you can consider it a "sport". Zoeisright Dec 2012 #54

agree completely - it's only the hunters who consider this a "sport" and themselves as "sportmen" DrDan Dec 2012 #29

In the poor rural area of Florida where I live ... spin Dec 2012 #46

Don't they know that it's only ethical to have someone *else* kill their food for them... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #60

That's a good idea. If you don't like hunting you should be a vegan!!! ... spin Dec 2012 #71

Totally agree. nt Raine Dec 2012 #75

Because it's impossible for anyone to shake the label that is unfairly thrown upon us bossy22 Dec 2012 #6

Part of that probelm is your of your own making. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #13

I don't disagree- we deserve our fair share of the blame bossy22 Dec 2012 #23

The tea I like the most is lapsang souchong. Love the smokey taste. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #73

Thinning the herd HERVEPA Dec 2012 #14

Unfortunately sarisataka Dec 2012 #8

You'd be more convincing if you didn't lead with a straw man. ellisonz Dec 2012 #22

Would you like me AlexSatan Dec 2012 #61

Case in point sarisataka Dec 2012 #63

If you're defending the NRA-line on this topic... ellisonz Dec 2012 #64

Hey, there's the other one AlexSatan Dec 2012 #67

Good denial. ellisonz Dec 2012 #72

I didn't realize I denounced them AlexSatan Dec 2012 #78

I have seen several posts sarisataka Dec 2012 #62

Yes. I denounce them completely. ellisonz Dec 2012 #65

Agreed... sarisataka Dec 2012 #69

The majority hold similar values, and yet a small contingent of RKBA-worshippers, ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #35

I agree sarisataka Dec 2012 #68

Assuming there is any actual equivalency between "extremists" on ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #70

I am a lifetime gun ouner, shooter and hunter. I have no problem with sensible gun doc03 Dec 2012 #11

To me, this is very much like the "why don't DU Christians do something about fundy nutjobs" gkhouston Dec 2012 #12

There is a massive difference between "being responible for them" being **hurt** by them. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #15

I was thinking the same thing. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #16

yup obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #32

It turns out Sandy Hook is something else we can blame Israel for. former9thward Dec 2012 #17

Keep the crazy shit out of serious threads, please Bucky Dec 2012 #87

I have seen the Iran state news agency quoted here many times. former9thward Dec 2012 #88

I'm sure you had a point when you started typing your response Bucky Dec 2012 #89

My only point, poorly made, is the official Iran news agency has no credibility. former9thward Dec 2012 #90

I see your point. Aerows Dec 2012 #91

Good question. That is why it was poorly made. former9thward Dec 2012 #92

Amen. ellisonz Dec 2012 #18

I guess maybe I have a "fetish" PD Turk Dec 2012 #19

Yup, you do. You have a collection of things that have the primary purpose of hurting or killing HERVEPA Dec 2012 #21

You have proven my point quite well bossy22 Dec 2012 #24

Glad to be of service. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #28

yup obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #37

For the sake of this discussion, you're not a fetishist. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #26

.303 Lee Enfield PD Turk Dec 2012 #43

:snap: You're right. .303, not .308 - hence the difficulty of finding ammo. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #57

I use that Ruger when I go trailrunning obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #38

I'm caught in the middle. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #25

There are extremes. My OP wasn't aimed at the. It was aimed at YOU. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #30

But when we speak out, we are often called a gun nut obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #34

I feel your pain. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #51

Is that who it appears to be???? Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #58

Yep, it's Rachel Maddow: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #59

Her first date with her spouse was at an NRA shooting meet. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #66

Certainly, there's a limit to how many guns one needs. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #47

Any gun owners not a LEO or rancher obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #80

Interesting choice for a screen name. Doesn't glorify violence or anything like that. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #31

You don't know my reason for choosing that handle twelve years ago. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #50

You've been tarred with the bad rep of others marions ghost Dec 2012 #53

My issue is labor JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #55

I said...clearly marions ghost Dec 2012 #79

I debate the people who see guns as an end all to our social problems. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #82

Democrats aren't in lock-step like Republicans marions ghost Dec 2012 #83

If you lived on a ranch in Montana.... JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #84

People lived on Montana ranches for a long time without the marions ghost Dec 2012 #85

^^^this^^^^ slutticus Dec 2012 #86

Because the guns the nutjobs stockpile NickB79 Dec 2012 #36

A couple of reasons hootinholler Dec 2012 #39

and feral pigs obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #42

You seem to understand it better than you think. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #40

Your last paragraph nails it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #41

You don't need to know any of the nuts to speak out against the Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #45

I have an anti NRA OP in GD and still get insulted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #77

I personally don't know people like that either Kaleva Dec 2012 #52

I've owned and used guns and am not afraid of them. But anything beyond guns for food or ancianita Dec 2012 #44

I own guns to protect my family. Period. Bake Dec 2012 #56

How much longer? What qualifies you to say? When does a DU'er get to argue life and death matters? ancianita Dec 2012 #81

I've been keeping a low profile since the Sandy Hook massacre. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #48

"Since when did hunting become target shooting" marions ghost Dec 2012 #49

My 5 yo son got me back into hunting 3 years ago. ileus Dec 2012 #76

wow, not one "sensible" gun owner thinks they should say anything anti NRA. Lazy chickenshit selfish bettyellen Dec 2012 #93