I am asking this as an outsider

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72. OK thx for the clarification

about how you define conservatives. I don't get the use of the term "serious Republicans" perhaps. Are you talking about before Reagan? Because every Republican voter after that was allowing the path to this very moment. So where are these "serious" ones. Do you mean the selfish and basically cowardly ones who DON'T wear MAGA hats?

Seems we agree on the basics, but I am making a case for calling out the large contingent of "fiscal conservatives" (ha ha) who voted for this monster, knowing FULL WELL what he is. So often we progressives get into bashing the lo-info MAGAs--but they are not the only crowd that deserves blame. The smart informed ones are guilty as hell, and there are many of them. Sure, they got Rushed and Fuxed -up too, but they KNOW what they are doing.

Is there a better term for this group?
I'm open to labelling.