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jeff47

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143. Your theory runs into a large problem

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:34 PM

Dec 2012

Violent crime has been steadily declining over the last 40 years. Violence in media has been steadily increasing over the last 40 years.

If violence in media had an effect, how come violent crime keeps going down while violent media keeps going up?

We have a problem with guns and mental health care. Those are what caused this tragedy. Riling up the troops to march on Silicon Valley means they aren't working towards better mental health care or gun control. And we're gonna need all the help we can get for effective gun control legislation, and to reverse the mental health disaster caused by Reagan. Because we're going to have to keep them upset yet organized until the 2014 elections - there's no way the Republican house will do anything on either subject.

While raging against violence in media may feel good, those efforts should be directed towards something that actually does good. That's why gamers are objecting to your call to arms.

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Video games are evil [View all] nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 OP

Those are today's talking points, alright! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #1

To the credit of Frank Luntz nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3

Am I the only one who suspects a bit of zealotry-trolling going on here? backscatter712 Dec 2012 #12

Well some of us played violent games nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #15

Well then some of you are hypocrites and can't accept that basic fact. And need to lie KittyWampus Dec 2012 #111

Geez, go smoke some weed or something. You've really gone unhinged. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #112

What you are saying is smoke and mirrors. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #114

Who is the zealot? The OP who is lying about what others are saying? Those who try to dictate the KittyWampus Dec 2012 #110

No I am not lying, nice personal attack nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #119

I dont know, Im hearing it from some liberals too... mr_liberal Dec 2012 #14

One is the foundation of any democracy the other a relic. white_wolf Dec 2012 #25

Well, he will have a lot of us staying home then nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #26

Study: No Link Between Violent Video Games, Youth Aggression ... Confusious Dec 2012 #2

Most of what I've dug up from the academic journals says the same thing. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #22

Guns are evil... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #4

Going after the fringe culture is the easy answer nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7

BINGO! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #5

Shoots 6 bullets per second. Ridiculous & unnecessary. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #6

It is an stripped down (in the selector switch) nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #9

And that ammo is less powerful than what is used to hunt deer. justanidea Dec 2012 #16

Well, it sucks to hunt deer. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #18

And people nt theKed Dec 2012 #37

To say nothing of kindergardners. n/t 99Forever Dec 2012 #103

It's overkill for varmint hunting, but not powerful enough for deer... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #113

It actually followed the German model of smaller rounds nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #118

Very true. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #121

5.56mm ammo is derived from a civilian round, the .222 Remington hack89 Dec 2012 #150

Absolutely no need for those to be in civilian hands. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #20

I thought he used 30 round magazines RomneyLies Dec 2012 #8

Nope, big Eddie just showed it nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #11

The Police have repeatedly indicated multiple 30-round magazines were used. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #29

Send an EMail to MSNBC nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #31

90-round clips...My God BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #127

No it was those damned Beatles, it is the devils music! Kurska Dec 2012 #10

It was comics before that! nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #13

And D&D after. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #19

Don't forget Battltech and Vampire the Masquerade. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

I've always wanted to try Vampire the Masquerade white_wolf Dec 2012 #27

I played a game of werewolf early on nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #32

Kinda ironic considering your name Hayabusa Dec 2012 #38

The name actually comes from a different videogame. white_wolf Dec 2012 #40

I thought it may have been something like that Hayabusa Dec 2012 #43

Go buy it now! The first one is like 10$ on Steam. white_wolf Dec 2012 #44

You haven't seen the way I save... Hayabusa Dec 2012 #46

"Bewitched" and "I Dream of Jeannie" also... klook Dec 2012 #102

I've been playing D&D on and off for a couple of decades... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #30

Want to hear something very ironic. white_wolf Dec 2012 #39

I want to learn the Mind Bondage spell! n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #75

And heavy metal music WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #104

With new technology, you can't detect the backwards satanic messages jberryhill Dec 2012 #52

Blame it on the Stones! DBoon Dec 2012 #64

I blame the metric system Johonny Dec 2012 #17

Damn, better hide my mom's old car...computer is set in metric right now. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #21

No matter how evil video games are, that would have mattered a whole lot less without a 90 round patrice Dec 2012 #24

That is true. Unless he made a bomb, like McVeigh did. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #60

But he didn't make a bomb, like McVeigh did. 99Forever Dec 2012 #105

Don't forget about his meds too Politicalboi Dec 2012 #28

A perfectly predictable result of taking God out of video games n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #33

God just makes videogames worse. white_wolf Dec 2012 #41

You have a point there DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #82

It's all Mario's fault! No, wait! It's all Luigi's fault! Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #34

No it's Link and Zelda's fault! white_wolf Dec 2012 #42

BOTH magazines and VIOLENT video games should be looked at and considered. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #35

The scientists have looked at video games and violence. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #45

All the studies I found....all of them...found a link...a predictor of future violent behavior in Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #48

Others have posted studies that contradicted yours. white_wolf Dec 2012 #50

That's what I mean. It should be studied and looked at, since many studies have concluded Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #57

Mortal Kombat is...once again...rated M nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #51

Anyone can play it, with parents permission, another poster said. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #54

Of course they can and they should be able to. white_wolf Dec 2012 #55

Oh, come on. You know that a lot of parents don't have a clue what kind of video game their Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #62

So you expect the industry rep to go the the home. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #69

Then they should do some research. It isn't hard. white_wolf Dec 2012 #74

The game makers put a standard label on the box explaining what's in that video game jeff47 Dec 2012 #133

A kid can't buy it nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #58

Okay, you're getting into silliness. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #68

I suppose that could happen... white_wolf Dec 2012 #76

I am not getting into silliness nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #80

I don't get the virulent objection you're being met with. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #71

+1 same thought here lunasun Dec 2012 #101

Video games aren't the problem rebecca_herman Dec 2012 #78

Wolfestein 3D nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #81

Yep, that's it! rebecca_herman Dec 2012 #90

They are nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #91

+1 whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #142

Oh I forgot to note nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #146

It's a toxic combination that goes bad with certain individuals. dkf Dec 2012 #36

Show me the case where someone killed 20 people rapidly with a copy of Halo 4, and maybe you'll have Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #87

You got that right Shadowflash Dec 2012 #153

Yep. We should burn them all right along with every copy of The Catcher in the Rye. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #47

Nearly every piece of classic literature. white_wolf Dec 2012 #49

Exactly. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #56

I missed those studies showing a link between violent behavior and Beowulf. Where are Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #70

Because we all know the society of Beowulf was paradise nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #123

Once again, you do not know what you are talking about. zappaman Dec 2012 #124

You really think the minimum-wage-earning kid taking tickets is gonna stop a parent who demands jeff47 Dec 2012 #135

Theater, all of Shakespeare nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #53

I'm pretty sure that's when society began to devolve. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #59

Has to be nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #65

Oh we need to ban oedipus Rex. white_wolf Dec 2012 #61

Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #63

and Ezekiel! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #79

You made me use the Google nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #84

I just Googled it. white_wolf Dec 2012 #86

Yup. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #89

Hamlet is just riddled with bad influences theKed Dec 2012 #66

Okay, now you're getting silly. Is there a Shakespeare Mortal Kombat video game? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #72

Whoosh!!!! nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #83

oh Livluvgrow Dec 2012 #67

"If it bleeds it leads" LeftofU Dec 2012 #73

Have you ever heard of not putting the cart before the horse? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #88

We need to speak of a number of things Nadin. Yes guns and clips for sure, but also other things. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #77

Well before this you are talking mental health nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #85

We as a society are horrible at taking care of the mentally ill. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #94

Because mine craft has zero guns (ok the laser mining laser could be seen as one) nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #95

VERY few DU'ers have even mentioned banning video games. Your entire thread is bullshit. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #109

I love personal attacks in the morning instead of facts. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #115

It's funny that people seem to think violence didn't happen before video games or movies or comics Kalidurga Dec 2012 #92

I know. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #93

Remember Johonny Dec 2012 #96

It was those damned Sumerians! n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #97

Well they were one of the first civilizations to have an urban center... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #107

First thing written after the Code was a lurid and violent tale of the forbidden Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #131

I didn't know that... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #132

Do you think society would be better off with LESS glorified violence instead of MORE? randome Dec 2012 #98

It wouldn't make a difference. jeff47 Dec 2012 #137

I didn't say it MAKES society. randome Dec 2012 #140

Your theory runs into a large problem jeff47 Dec 2012 #143

What call to arms? randome Dec 2012 #144

Why did I know you'd only respond to the last 3 words of my post? jeff47 Dec 2012 #148

Not 'creating'. Having an effect. randome Dec 2012 #149

The guy in Colorado didn't play games nor read the comic books. jeff47 Dec 2012 #151

That's...almost funny. 'Time for introspection' is the same as 'demanding it'. randome Dec 2012 #154

When you say "it's time for introspection" you are demanding "introspection". jeff47 Dec 2012 #155

What stinks is, we all know what they're doing. Dash87 Dec 2012 #99

And it is the same exact people. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #100

Nope, speak of them. MicaelS Dec 2012 #106

They are there nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #116

You need to re-read, and edit your post. MicaelS Dec 2012 #120

More word salad? zappaman Dec 2012 #122

Still don't understand what you mean by "white trade". n/t MicaelS Dec 2012 #125

Young women kidnapped and forced into the sex trade nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #126

Anything but your personal turf, right? randome Dec 2012 #134

Never heard it expressed that way. MicaelS Dec 2012 #139

We all learn something nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #145

Agreed, thank you. n/t MicaelS Dec 2012 #147

Media reflects society, it doesn't create society. jeff47 Dec 2012 #141

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #108

I love personal attacks. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #117

No, you don't. You just love to feel superior. randome Dec 2012 #138

! zappaman Dec 2012 #152

Aaaaaand... Jack Thompson slithers out of his hiding place to accuse the game industry of murder... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #128

Ah yes...grand theft auto, NPR interview nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #129

I'm stockpiling now as we speak... HipChick Dec 2012 #130

I got an old ps-2. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #136