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In reply to the discussion: Trump "won" - Election fraud - time for it to be exposed [View all]Wiz Imp
(8,762 posts)82. Hand Counting has a significantly higher error rate than machine counts
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hand-counting-ballots
Hand Counting Ballots
Nearly all election jurisdictions across the country use voting machines to count ballots because they are more accurate, faster, and cheaper than counting all ballots by hand.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/hand-counting-ballots-explained/
Election experts oppose hand-counting ballots. Here's why.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/hand-counting-votes-proven-bad-idea
Hand-Counting Votes: A Proven Bad Idea
Efforts to replace modern voting machines with hand-counting are based on false conspiracy theories. But the machines do still need to be protected and kept up to date.
https://time.com/7071959/election-2024-hand-count-ballots/
Why Hand Counting Ballots Could Create an Election Disaster
It would actually be easier to "steal" an election if it were mandated all votes must be counted by hand. It's why the Democratic Party file lawsuits against the State of Georgia to prevent a law being enacted that required just that.
Hand Counting Ballots
Nearly all election jurisdictions across the country use voting machines to count ballots because they are more accurate, faster, and cheaper than counting all ballots by hand.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/hand-counting-ballots-explained/
Election experts oppose hand-counting ballots. Here's why.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/hand-counting-votes-proven-bad-idea
Hand-Counting Votes: A Proven Bad Idea
Efforts to replace modern voting machines with hand-counting are based on false conspiracy theories. But the machines do still need to be protected and kept up to date.
https://time.com/7071959/election-2024-hand-count-ballots/
Why Hand Counting Ballots Could Create an Election Disaster
A study from Rice University estimated that hand counts got the results right just 58% of the time. Machine-based voting has an error rate of less than 1%, according to two decades of research.
It would actually be easier to "steal" an election if it were mandated all votes must be counted by hand. It's why the Democratic Party file lawsuits against the State of Georgia to prevent a law being enacted that required just that.
Despite all the evidence against the practice, Georgias top elections board is plowing ahead with a scheme to count by hand every ballot in a state of more than 8 million registered voters.
The frankly ludicrous decision came about after the five-person board found itself overrun by election deniers. The boneheaded move has drawn bipartisan criticism, including Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp.
This is exactly why Democrats on Sept. 30 filed a lawsuit to block this potential folly. Its got a good chance to proceed, as even Georgias Republican Secretary of State says the election board waited too long to institute such a dramatic change of rules.
While shutting down Georgias hand count plan could spur conspiracy theories that the vote is rigged, keeping it in place could do even more damage to trust in the states elections. Despite right-wing conspiracy theories about inaccurate voting machines and a desire to go back to paper-and-ink ballots, the perils of hacking or tinkering are just not justified. Fueled by disinformation and sheer cynicism, Trumps belief that the 2020 election was stolen simply has no basis in fact.
The frankly ludicrous decision came about after the five-person board found itself overrun by election deniers. The boneheaded move has drawn bipartisan criticism, including Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp.
This is exactly why Democrats on Sept. 30 filed a lawsuit to block this potential folly. Its got a good chance to proceed, as even Georgias Republican Secretary of State says the election board waited too long to institute such a dramatic change of rules.
While shutting down Georgias hand count plan could spur conspiracy theories that the vote is rigged, keeping it in place could do even more damage to trust in the states elections. Despite right-wing conspiracy theories about inaccurate voting machines and a desire to go back to paper-and-ink ballots, the perils of hacking or tinkering are just not justified. Fueled by disinformation and sheer cynicism, Trumps belief that the 2020 election was stolen simply has no basis in fact.
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Ballots are counted precinct by precinct, it's not like anyone is running all 8 million ballots through the same scanner
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#41
We have mail in voting so most ballots are collected at the elections division or at drop off bins, & then transferred.
CrispyQ
Jun 2025
#46
So , to be clear, you don't believe in hand counting under any circumstance?
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#48
No. What I said is I don't believe we're ever going back to hand counted ballots. We're just not.
CrispyQ
Jun 2025
#49
I could understand errors if we were counting 50 races in precincts with thousands of voters
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#84
If you would read the information they have already presented tons of evidence
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#29
Nope, it is exactly the same. They had only grifters and conspiracy theory nut jobs.
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#14
Is that actually even true? Has Elias really moved his position from the below? That would be news.
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#23
Sidney Powell or any other Trump grifter could have delivered that exact same post word-for-word
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#55
You don't debate in good faith, you don't address any points I make
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#57
I don't debate the finer points of 9/11 trutherism or QAnon stuff either. This is the same type of nonsense
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#58
lol, a complete non-sequitur. Franken has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#62
Ummm the machine count said he lost, he filed for a handcount and won
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#63
The difference is now, for example Wisconsin does not require hand counting even for a recount
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#66
So were Governor Evers and AG Kaul (both Democrats), just ignorant that an election was stolen out from under them?
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#67
Idk but if I was going to guess I would say they are afraid of people like you who think transparency is unimportant
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#69
So you are positing that they "know" the election was stolen but are scared to do or say anything?
tritsofme
Jun 2025
#70
Actually in 2020 when Georgia was hand counted thousands of votes were found
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#39
We heard him whine and holler and scream about 2020, and disclose every possible way Trump thought the election
lees1975
Jun 2025
#27
I don't understand how you get to call us "incels and losers" without getting a hide
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#42
I believe the Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth was hand-picked by Governor Josh Shapiro
Ponietz
Jun 2025
#60
I believe letting insiders with computer access decide our elections
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#61
I believe the American people have the right to oversee the counting of their votes
questionseverything
Jun 2025
#77
I found it interesting that Musk wanted to use his SpaceX satellites as air traffic controllers....
kentuck
Jun 2025
#33
Part of the reason they came so hard with the "stolen election" bullshit after '20 is so we'd have to refute hard.
BlueTsunami2018
Jun 2025
#90