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231. Signing on to austerity packages is not a victory.

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:08 PM

Dec 2012

It is a decided loss. Even if we go over the cliff, we are stuck with budget slashing that Obama is fully responsible for, because he chose to validate the Shock Doctrine scam debt ceiling "crisis" last year. We should not be imposing austerity at all during this economy.

The victory can come after this debacle, IF the Democratic Party decides to go back to what truly defines a victory: passionate advocacy for and action toward legislation that actually HELPS people and holds bankers accountable.

How propaganda works to change our expectations of the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022033331

People aren't falling for the propaganda anymore. If the Democratic Party wants to claim a victory, they need to give us something that really helps, not expect praise for subjecting us to one of the less painful of the various austerity options they have put into place.

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Check in here if you think NO DEAL before the New Year is a VICTORY [View all] alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 OP

Have car, will Cliff Drive! n/t HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #1

+1 Fridays Child Dec 2012 #3

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #31

Sure, I'll drive. After I start drinking cliffordu Dec 2012 #64

Let the Bush tax cuts expire. jsr Dec 2012 #2

+99 n/t We People Dec 2012 #16

no deal is better than a crappy deal. nt limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #4

So, a victory? Or just better than a crappy deal? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #6

At this point it looks like a victory I guess. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #21

Well, that sounds half-hearted alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #25

Over the cliff is the best option right now. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #37

Fair enough! Best option it is. alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #42

Yup, off the curb. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5

Merry Cliffmas! Jim Warren Dec 2012 #7

I see what you did there...very clever! HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #9

Come on, do the ProSense Dec 2012 #8

I have always avoided your posts, that being said. You have fucking rocked Autumn Dec 2012 #12

Thanks. ProSense Dec 2012 #17

You said you liked this one, earlier: freshwest Dec 2012 #50

Agreed. That post should be posted on its own. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #53

well said, thank you nt navarth Dec 2012 #91

"There is no problem with Social Security that creating jobs in this country wouldn't solve." mac56 Dec 2012 #148

Agreed. So many depend on Social Security yet pandr32 Dec 2012 #169

LOVE IT! It's in our best interests to let this go til the new year. calimary Dec 2012 #217

perfect - this is the picture I had in my mind reverend_tim Dec 2012 #219

What me worry about a little cliff? Wwagsthedog Dec 2012 #10

I want to soar over the fucking cliff Autumn Dec 2012 #11

With all the crap from republicans And Democrats .... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #13

Let's roll! 99Forever Dec 2012 #14

Timber!!!! Wellstone ruled Dec 2012 #15

Time To Fly, Sir.... The Magistrate Dec 2012 #18

Absolutely! il_lilac Dec 2012 #19

No f***ing deal Hydra Dec 2012 #20

Yes, yes, of course...but i mean that if we don't have a deal by January 1, that is a VICTORY alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #24

Oh yes, I like clear goals like that Hydra Dec 2012 #27

I just wanted to be clear that this thread is for those who would consider a Jan 1 No Deal a Victory alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #28

I've got my bags packed.. Lets go JeffHead Dec 2012 #22

Present & R. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #23

No, but it's better than letting the Bush tax cuts continue. Deep13 Dec 2012 #26

It wouldn't be a victory. OK. How about the best outcome of those available and possible now? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #30

Yeah, all right... Deep13 Dec 2012 #74

+1 ^^^ This. Domestic spending cuts will hurt big time. ieoeja Dec 2012 #168

My bet is just like last time quaker bill Dec 2012 #29

"cliff" takes the car keys away from the current holder. go for it nt msongs Dec 2012 #32

Bring it! n/t Greybnk48 Dec 2012 #33

Lead the way, boys..... plethoro Dec 2012 #34

LOL limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #224

I don't know if you could call it a victory but... kentuck Dec 2012 #35

How about "Best Option Available and Realistic at This Point" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #44

Present. Melinda Dec 2012 #36

New and better deal next term, no deal now. PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #38

Let's just get to Jan 1 without a Deal for now though, yeah? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #45

yes no deal. oldbanjo Dec 2012 #39

Crack that nineteen50 Dec 2012 #40

No Deal is better than a Bad Deal, I think we can all agree on that. Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #41

is anything other than a bad deal a possibility? If not, then No Deal would be a victory alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #47

No deals that cut safety nets. Go off the cliff and we will pick up those pieces we rhett o rick Dec 2012 #43

Yeah! alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #46

No deal beats any deal cutting SS or Medicare. kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #48

Victory, ultimately, would be equality, full employment, and the end of poverty alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #51

I guess I have to repeat myself. kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #187

Agreed. MyshkinCommaPrince Dec 2012 #49

The new House is pretty much going to look like the old House customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #71

no deal dwilso40641 Dec 2012 #52

+1 jberryhill Dec 2012 #54

cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! cliff! wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #55

Yes!!!???? cliffordu Dec 2012 #67

lol! wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #105

+1 Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #56

over the cliff dwilso40641 Dec 2012 #57

K & R Change has come Dec 2012 #58

My Dream trublu992 Dec 2012 #59

I'm ready to take the plunge LeftInTX Dec 2012 #60

k&r The Wizard Dec 2012 #61

Over the river and littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #62

Might as well... rocktivity Dec 2012 #63

I hear it may cost a lot to win, and even more to lose. Therefore, you and me better spend some time Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #65

No deal. nt femrap Dec 2012 #66

all ready for the cliff drop! Cliff, here we come! n/t NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #68

NO DEAL! judesedit Dec 2012 #69

Grumpy thinks we're going over. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #70

I for one welcome our grumpycat overlords MadrasT Dec 2012 #210

+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #72

To paraphrase Jon Stewart, okwmember Dec 2012 #73

K&R deutsey Dec 2012 #75

I'm in joetubes Dec 2012 #76

Here's how it could work for Obama... L0oniX Dec 2012 #77

Sounds good to me! Maineman Dec 2012 #199

No, it's not a victory, but it's the best possible option at this point. woo me with science Dec 2012 #78

So there is no possibility of any victory now alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #86

Signing on to austerity packages is not a victory. woo me with science Dec 2012 #231

Total propaganda. None of that happens if we go "over the cliff." joshcryer Dec 2012 #243

The debt ceiling can be juggled for months. joshcryer Dec 2012 #222

I'm in with both feet. Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #79

Off we go! AzDar Dec 2012 #80

K/R Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #81

Absolutely Mickju Dec 2012 #82

I don't know that it's a victory but it's the best way forward. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #83

no deal is a victory samsingh Dec 2012 #84

Right now, if it's Obama's dump on the table, Plan B, or the cliff, then JimDandy Dec 2012 #85

Yo UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #87

Check aintitfunny Dec 2012 #88

Cliff Shmiff defacto7 Dec 2012 #89

NO DEAL Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #90

Crash this mutha. morningfog Dec 2012 #92

No deal is better than a bad deal peace frog Dec 2012 #93

No deal beats a crappy deal WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #94

K&R nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #95

No Deal! UCmeNdc Dec 2012 #96

No deal. rosesaylavee Dec 2012 #97

Let's wait until the next Congress is sworn in. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2012 #98

true that allinthegame Dec 2012 #99

So I take it that you were just kidding in the past? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #100

Oh, Manny alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #110

Seeing your OP, I did a spit take MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #114

I don't think there's any apology required alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #116

Sweet Jesus MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #117

Um alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #118

Oh there's still plenty of time for a fold. joshcryer Dec 2012 #223

lets go over the illusionary cliff sasha031 Dec 2012 #101

Booyah! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #102

I'm in! ReRe Dec 2012 #103

No deal. n/t gkhouston Dec 2012 #104

Yep MNBrewer Dec 2012 #106

It's damn sure better than cutting social security. craigmatic Dec 2012 #107

No deal is better than a bad deal! n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #108

It's not a cliff, it's a bump! JackRiddler Dec 2012 #109

My parachute is on and I'm ready to cliff dive. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #111

No deal libodem Dec 2012 #112

Didn't we go through this before it makes for accounting Historic NY Dec 2012 #113

Even their horses are crazy... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #115

Not only is no deal the best deal, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #119

Exactly! Owl Dec 2012 #232

Ready to sprint over the imaginary cliff standingtall Dec 2012 #120

Damn right NO DEAL. who the hell does Boner think he is? vanlassie Dec 2012 #121

RIght on! NYtoBush-Drop Dead Dec 2012 #122

We're way past winning now but there will be no tolerable deal. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #123

Will it have been a temporary win to get to the cliff alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #124

It's a loss for those who will lose their food stamps and other benefits One of the 99 Dec 2012 #125

On record for the other position is fine alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #126

So you're OK with other people's children going hungry One of the 99 Dec 2012 #130

Who me? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #132

Isn't that the whole point One of the 99 Dec 2012 #144

No alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #145

Sorry if I misunderstood. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #149

I'm just taking the temparature of the board alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #166

So what is your position. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #170

I care about policy alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #173

That's not an answer. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #175

Oh, it is alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #176

So what policies are you advocating? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #179

Let me say this alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #188

Good post. nt One of the 99 Dec 2012 #205

It will not be a victory for the poor no matter how this comes out standingtall Dec 2012 #128

Medicare cuts are not part of the package. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #129

$50 a month can be a lot for someone on a fix income standingtall Dec 2012 #138

Let's talk reality One of the 99 Dec 2012 #143

Couldn't that be addressed in a seperate bill? olegramps Dec 2012 #156

Sure it could. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #157

It is reality standingtall Dec 2012 #239

No it is not. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #240

I kind of think my husband losing his job should be a no go, period. renie408 Dec 2012 #163

Food stamps and medicaid aren't involved in the fiscal cliff octoberlib Dec 2012 #207

The fiscal cliff is smoke and mirrors! joshcryer Dec 2012 #225

I gladly jump DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #127

Roll, Baby, roll. Stardust Dec 2012 #131

The only way we will ever raise capital gains taxes. Coyotl Dec 2012 #133

not victory, per se, but perhaps the beginning of victory 0rganism Dec 2012 #134

I appreciate your caution alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #135

oh definitely, but it has to be done right or we lose the initiative 0rganism Dec 2012 #136

My 21,000th post says I'm in. donheld Dec 2012 #137

I have washed my hands of this non-existent problem bluestateguy Dec 2012 #139

Early morning kick Oilwellian Dec 2012 #140

Over the cliff Not Sure Dec 2012 #141

The prey has turned into the predator nolabels Dec 2012 #160

I don't think "victory" is a term that applies to thiis situation ashling Dec 2012 #142

No Deal!!!! n/t Progressive dog Dec 2012 #146

No deal will be a Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #147

HUGE K & R !!! - NO DEAL !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #150

No deal! marble falls Dec 2012 #151

NO DEAL! NO DEAL! NO DEAL! MyOpinion-2 Dec 2012 #152

better no deal then obamas current proposal.... bowens43 Dec 2012 #153

THOU SHALT NO CHEAT THY ELDERS Coyotl Dec 2012 #154

It's past time to do some self-sacrifice. Panasonic Dec 2012 #155

I have to agree. It is like trying to deal with the devil. olegramps Dec 2012 #158

It's a victory Turbineguy Dec 2012 #159

You gotta stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. Myrina Dec 2012 #161

We doan need no stinking deal pscot Dec 2012 #162

God, I hope we don't get a deal. I am pretty resilient and can take losing my house. renie408 Dec 2012 #164

Great thread! * Redfairen Dec 2012 #165

Yes to Cliff! KansDem Dec 2012 #167

Aye! dmosh42 Dec 2012 #171

Say no to Plan B 4dsc Dec 2012 #172

The best deal... sendero Dec 2012 #174

NO DEAL!!! DesertDiamond Dec 2012 #177

Over we go! rgbecker Dec 2012 #178

Go over the cliff. Hit ground running on 01/01/2013 Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #180

I'd like to kick Bonner's ass off the cliff just to... santamargarita Dec 2012 #181

No deal!!! nt mfcorey1 Dec 2012 #182

I wonder what Thelma and Louise would have done.. Whisp Dec 2012 #183

There is no cliff. NO DEAL FTW! harun Dec 2012 #184

I think I agree, but... Whisp Dec 2012 #185

$600 billion of across the board cuts to domsetic discretionary alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #189

And you can juggle the books for months. joshcryer Dec 2012 #226

Let's Thelma and Louise if off the cliff kimbutgar Dec 2012 #186

Not yet. Bradical79 Dec 2012 #190

cese cese Dec 2012 #191

Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #197

GO OVER THE CLIFF! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #192

The Fiscal Myth CapnSteve Dec 2012 #193

yep. Pryderi Dec 2012 #194

I'm in! Off the cliff! Owl Dec 2012 #195

No Deal! Go over the cliff! TeamPooka Dec 2012 #196

If they can really reach a deal later then yes andym Dec 2012 #198

no deal is the best deal RedstDem Dec 2012 #200

Yup! nt and-justice-for-all Dec 2012 #201

Let's go! Rider3 Dec 2012 #202

Yep maveric56 Dec 2012 #203

NO DEAL~! truebrit71 Dec 2012 #204

No deal! octoberlib Dec 2012 #206

DURec Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #208

YAY RECESSION and PEOPLE LOSE UNEMPOLYMENT!!! SpartanDem Dec 2012 #209

Political Theater at its worst! Rain Mcloud Dec 2012 #211

It depends iandhr Dec 2012 #212

I think John2 Dec 2012 #213

Better than caving in. WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2012 #214

No deal grandpamike1 Dec 2012 #215

Yes - better to hit the curb w/ no deal than this Plan B for Bullshit.... Pachamama Dec 2012 #216

I guess SS recipients don't give a shit about recessions taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #218

Come On Boys The Cliff Is Not That Steep Forrestted Dec 2012 #220

The only winning move is not to play. joshcryer Dec 2012 #221

So we all have to pay a higher price? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #227

They might not happen alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #229

Interesting because humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #241

Cliff ahead. Parachute packed. It's ok. kiranon Dec 2012 #228

Taxes go back to Clinton era rates for everybody. alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #230

No Deal Milliesmom Dec 2012 #233

I'm back libodem Dec 2012 #234

I'll be Thelma, you be Louise. DRIVE! mountain grammy Dec 2012 #235

Done peace frog Dec 2012 #242

Check! nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #236

Give me the cliff. Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #237

No Deal is better than caving......... again. OverBurn Dec 2012 #238