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Bluetus

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109. This is not complicated, not for IT people
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 01:15 PM
Jun 2025

Last edited Wed Jun 25, 2025, 03:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Our election systems have always been loaded with vulnerabilities,. As a society, we have always accepted this trade-off between fraud and convenience as a necessary compromise, especially considering that the ethos of this country from the very start was to not trust the rabble to make the leadership decisions. We give lip service to "democracy", but we have always erected barriers to legitimate democracy, be they 3/5ths compromise, Jim Crow laws, gerrymandering, the electoral college, the Senate composition, women's suffrage, the Daley operation or "lost" ballots.

What has changed? Most of the barriers/fraud were limited to local cases that did not have massive national consequences. But everything (allegedly) changed with the 2024 election.

Do you know who Peter Theil is? Have you heard of a company called Tripp Lite? Do you know what Palantir does as a business? You will not understand this situation if you don't understand all three of those linchpins.

So, let me summarize. Peter Theil is one of the leading "tech bros". Starting about a decade ago, he became central to this emerging gaggle of like-minded tech bros (including Musk) who do not believe in elected governments. They see a world that is run entirely by tech bros who control the media, the satellites, the elections, government budgets and taxation, the banking systems, everything.

About that time, Thell, Leo, and others started executing strategies to take over our government. Leo concentrated on taking over the judiciary, and especially the Supreme Court. and has succeeded 100%. Theil was more interested in elections. He backed Vance as a Senatorial candidate, and won that the old-fashioned way, by BUYING the candidate and injecting an overwhelming amount of money into the campaign.

Somewhere in that era, these people, including Musk, convinced themselves that there was a cheaper and more certain way to win elections. It was based on the fact that the primary election systems, most notably ESS, are controlled by RW partisans who shared the Theil philosophy. It was at that time that Theil, a venture capitalist who specialized in funding the highest of high tech firms took a highly peculiar interest in the Tripp Lite company. Tripp Lite is about the lowest tech company that can be considered a "tech" company at all. They make uninterruptible power supplies -- basically a box of batteries. Everything I have said so far is a matter of fact and well reported (albeit without seeing the patterns of connected dots.) From this point forward, there is some speculation, but I can assure you that every word of it is 100% plausible, if all the right villains agree to cooperate. And that is exactly what is alleged.

The Tripp Lite connection is the one that is so far from the normal pattern that it sets off sirens and alarms. Tripp Lite was purchased by Eaton in 2021, right after Trump lost to Harris. Why would a company like Eaton give a s*** about a boring UPS maker? Makes no sense. What is alleged is that the people behind Eaton, Palantir, ESS, SpaceEx and several other Tech Bro havens have been acting in a highly coordinated manner.

Why would Tripp Lite even be a factor in any of this? This is where I will lose most non-tech people. ESS and the other election system vendors make a big deal about how their voting systems are not connected at all to the outside world. They also boast that their software is independently certified by experts and there are PHYSICAL protections that prevent tampering without detection. And that was the case, I believe.

That's where Tripp Lite comes in. The ds450 and ds850 tebulators are often configured to use a Tripp Lite DIN850AC UPS or comparable. While ESS will sell the tabulators without UPS, it is a natural proposition to say "Of course, you will want to protect your tabulators from power outages, right?" It is alleged that these Tripp LIte UPSes became the mode for enabling a back door into many tabulators throughout the swing states. Is this possible? How is this possible?

The simple answer is, "Yes, it is possible if you can get the right people to do crimes with you." It is common for UPS systems to have a digital connection with the host they support. Normally, this is simply to keep the host aware of the power status. In the event of an extended power outage, the UPS can tell the host device (the tabulator in this case) to do an orderly shutdown to preserve data. It has been reported that there was an unauthorized patch applied to ESS systems in the September 2024 timeframe (coincidentally when Trump and Musk started saying their vote-counting plan out loud), and that this patch enhanced that protocol between the tabulators and their UPS such that the processor in the UPS could gain root level control over the tabulator. With root level control, the UPS would be able to do anything. It could see all the votes as they were being scanned. It could change vote totals and could erase any trace of this vote flipping. The only thing it could not do is actually modify the paper ballot. So if there was such tampering, it COULD be discovered, simply by running all the ballots through a tabulator known not to be compromised, or counting them by hand. But that was never done. Not a single recount anywhere as far as I know.

For that scenario to work smoothly and secretly, the rogue software would have to be loaded into the UPS systems in many locations months in advance. It would be hard to do that without arousing suspicion, because that would typically require an election worker to apply the patch at the direction of ESS. That is where the SpaceX connection comes into play. To complete the picture, it is alleged that about that same time (late summer 2024,) Starlink activated a feature that allowed the Theil/Palantir people to connect with those rogue UPS systems via a satellite service that appears to the UPS as if it were just another cell phone network. If that worked, it would be possible for the Palantir people to develop vote-flipping strategies, and command those strategies in real time, never having to physically touch any voting equipment in any voting place, and never having to ask any election officials for anything.

That is exactly what is alleged. It may sound far-fetched, but 100% of what I mentioned is technically possible. And my whole point in all of these messages you have been pooh-poohing, is that if correct, there was MASSIVE multi-state fraud in the Presidential election of 2024. We won't change that, but the key point is that they can and WILL do it again. And these allegations could easily be confirmed simply by re-scanning original ballots on tabulators known to be clean. That's the whole point. I don't understand why anybody would be opposed to this.

So instead of attacking me, why don't you explain why you are opposed to finding out if any of these allegations are true.

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Without a doubt yes MustLoveBeagles Jun 2025 #1
He wanted to avoid jail. luvallpeeps Jun 2025 #2
I think it was partly suppression... kentuck Jun 2025 #7
On top of all the ReThug gerrymandering? True Dough Jun 2025 #3
I believe IT had his vote counters in North Carolina but I would have to ask eLoon about LoisB Jun 2025 #4
Trump is to stupid to pull it off. Musk amerikat Jun 2025 #5
For sure canetoad Jun 2025 #37
Trump essentially said that Musk had found ways to exploit weaknesses in the tabulation systems Bluetus Jun 2025 #6
Then why didn't Musk hack downballot races? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #11
Maybe he just had someone hand out $100 dollar bills just to vote for Trump? kentuck Jun 2025 #12
It's an angle without evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #16
Was it investigated? kentuck Jun 2025 #18
It's extremely common for people to vote for president and leave the rest of the ballot blank Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #22
In Pennsylvania in 2024, There were about 71,000 more votes for President Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #39
The reality based community thanks you for your support Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #41
Facts matter. Thank you for sharing this EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #75
The entire argument Mountainguy Jun 2025 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #40
Risk/Reward Bluetus Jun 2025 #47
As you said, all theories, with no evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #59
That's EXACTLY what I'm saying Bluetus Jun 2025 #69
They have conducted audits Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #72
Please provide evidence of any recount activity in any of the swing states. Bluetus Jun 2025 #81
You must think the secs of state and Marc Elias are dumb hicks Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #83
You are getting so close, but Bluetus Jun 2025 #90
Audits include reviews of chain of custody, as well as partial recounts, among other things. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #92
You are correct. I do not trust the Dem SoS Bluetus Jun 2025 #94
Spreading evidence-free CT's reduces confidence and is likely to reduce turnout Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #96
I'm not the one spreading CTs. Bluetus Jun 2025 #98
So, it appears to come down to this: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #99
I am not denying anything. Bluetus Jun 2025 #100
Well, since you are truly an experienced expert in the field, your duty to your country is clear Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #105
I get it that you don't understand. Your sarcasm does not legitimize your willingness to deny Bluetus Jun 2025 #106
*sigh* Gee, Whiz... Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #108
This is not complicated, not for IT people Bluetus Jun 2025 #109
Most state governments have their own IT depts. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #110
Has absolutely NOTHING to do with state governments Bluetus Jun 2025 #111
You haven't answered a very important question Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #113
Those are excellent questions Bluetus Jun 2025 #114
I have answered your questions. Now, you answer one for me. Bluetus Jun 2025 #115
You have explained what is *possible* Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #116
What I am doing Bluetus Jun 2025 #117
Regarding the models Bluetus Jun 2025 #112
Information for your enlightenment: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #65
Information for YOUR enlightenment Bluetus Jun 2025 #70
The county in question had hundreds of thousands of votes cast Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #73
Not only exact same arguments made in 2020 by Trump - Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #74
Maybe he did Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #104
If by cheated, you mean altered or tampered with vote tallies Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #8
"he used quasi-legal methods to suppress voters' rights and reject valid votes for flimsy reasons" kentuck Jun 2025 #9
With millions of 2020 voters staying home, how would one know? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #14
Very possible. kentuck Jun 2025 #23
exactly: the elections are secure -- Krasnov cheats in other ways cadoman Jun 2025 #57
Indeed, but when the word "cheating" is used, people assume it means votes were changed. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #60
it's absolutely a problem with the term and we need a better term for it cadoman Jun 2025 #63
Dropping the term "cheating" is not surrendering any weapons Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #67
so what term do you use to describe how "he" won? (nt) cadoman Jun 2025 #88
In a single word? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #89
if one word encompasses six concepts but we refuse to use it cadoman Jun 2025 #91
So, is it cheating if a husband lies to his wife? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #93
Of course it's possible to cheat with the equipment we have questionseverything Jun 2025 #79
are you an expert on computer election equipment? cadoman Jun 2025 #87
If lying through... Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #85
The DNC and Democratic Candidates ... PBC_Democrat Jun 2025 #10
He's engaged in "legal" cheating. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #13
Hard to believe all of those are legal, huh? kentuck Jun 2025 #15
It won't be legal once we expand the courts Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #19
We don't want to admit that there may be corruption in our Party also. kentuck Jun 2025 #21
Some really disappointing names on the bill, although I'm not surprised to see Hickenlooper's name. CrispyQ Jun 2025 #62
He cheats at golf. bluedigger Jun 2025 #17
I think it would be naive to think he didn't cheat.... kentuck Jun 2025 #20
Whether or not the cheating changed the outcome is a separate question. bluedigger Jun 2025 #24
Define "cheated." SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #25
When has he not cheated? ZDU Jun 2025 #26
If he's breathing choie Jun 2025 #27
The question ForgedCrank Jun 2025 #28
Why is "I'm not sure" or "don't know" NOT an option in your poll? Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #29
Same with me mvd Jun 2025 #31
I still don't think that was really possible, BUT--- I am less sure about it. Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #32
Do I think he'd cheat if he could? Yes. Do I think he might have cheated? Yes. But have I seen any evidence? No. Doodley Jun 2025 #30
I'm in NC... ms liberty Jun 2025 #33
Yes, but I think he did actually win also JI7 Jun 2025 #34
Let's tick off the "conspiracy theories" that turned out to be true JHB Jun 2025 #35
He once orchestrated an insurrection, of course he cheated. Emile Jun 2025 #36
If true, then the outcome of the 2026 election is already determined Kaleva Jun 2025 #38
Because he told us he did montanacowboy Jun 2025 #42
Trump adheres to the pro-wrestling dictum: comradebillyboy Jun 2025 #43
He cheated with the aid of Elon Musk, Peter Theil, and Steve Bannon! Initech Jun 2025 #44
NO F"N WAY he won all the swing states bob4460 Jun 2025 #45
Where's the "is the Pope Catholic?" line jmowreader Jun 2025 #46
This is absolutely false. There is a district where that happened EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #78
Politifact seems to say... Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #86
Would spreading false information like you did qualify as cheating? EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #97
I haven't said that there is a county where Harris got zero votes. Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #107
Your math doesn't work. See edit. rzemanfl Aug 2025 #118
Please define 'cheated'. TIA Celerity Jun 2025 #48
From Oxford dictionary: kentuck Jun 2025 #50
I think that Trump lied thousands of times, that there were thousands of scurilous false attack adverts run by the RW, Celerity Jun 2025 #56
I think Rebl2 Jun 2025 #49
has he ever not cheated? rampartd Jun 2025 #51
Of course Maine Abu El Banat Jun 2025 #52
he's a con. through and through stillcool Jun 2025 #53
I WAS skeptical of these claims.... Happy Hoosier Jun 2025 #54
With regards to the voting, or his wife? usonian Jun 2025 #55
Simply for one reason. No..not in concrete but,. chouchou Jun 2025 #58
Elon cheated. milestogo Jun 2025 #61
But to what degree? kentuck Jun 2025 #66
The software was coded to affect the tabulation of votes kimbutgar Jun 2025 #64
I don't know how, but he is a cheater Americanme Jun 2025 #68
I feel like we are perilously close Sympthsical Jun 2025 #71
Elon bought it for him get the red out Jun 2025 #76
Not at all DFW Jun 2025 #77
What I THINK, does t matter. johnnyfins Jun 2025 #80
Didn't but changed mind recently. Cheats that include Trump made Trump POTUS. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2025 #84
VOTER SUPPRESSION and B.See Jun 2025 #95
There hasn't been a non-compromised election purple_haze Jun 2025 #101
The normal republican cheating plus Buzz cook Jun 2025 #102
He's a cheater, cheater and a wife beater Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #103
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