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Bluetus

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114. Those are excellent questions
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 04:39 PM
Jun 2025

And they should all be answered to 100% satisfaction because what is alleged is so consequential.

But the short answer is that ESS was founded by highly partisan Republicans and has been a concern since the beginning. And ESS has the lion's share of voting systems throughout the country, and are incumbent in every swing state. However, the same scenario could apply to other companies, many of which are (allegedly) controlled by people in the Tech Bro club.

But setting that aside for the moment, the (alleged) operation could have been accomplished using only the ESS equipment. A key point is all of this is that they were (allegedly) flipping votes on selected tabulators in real time, and also monitoring all voting on all compromised tabulators. If the compromised tabulators were only 5% of the total tabulators in use, the scenario is still completely viable in a close race.

Let's look at Pennsylvania, because that is the state where Trump boasted about how much rigging Musk was doing. Here's a simple Google AI result:

Pennsylvania employs a variety of certified voting systems, and ES&S systems are used in over half of the counties
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Here are some specific ES&S voting systems used in Pennsylvania:

ES&S EVS 6.3.0.0, 6.0.2.1, and 6.1.1.0: These versions of the ES&S Electionware (EVS) system are certified for use in Pennsylvania.
ES&S DS200: This is a popular tabulator that scans hand-marked paper ballots. It's a component of the ES&S EVS 6.1.1.0 system.
ES&S ExpressVote XL: A ballot marking device with a touchscreen that produces a printed vote record for tabulation. It is used as the sole polling place voting system in jurisdictions where it is implemented. This system allows all voters, including those with disabilities, to have equal access to the ballot.
ES&S iVotronic: This is a direct recording electronic (DRE) voting system with a touch screen. It's important to note that the iVotronic machines in Fulton County, Pennsylvania were decertified and replaced after the 2020 election


I think you will find similar numbers in the other swing states.

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Without a doubt yes MustLoveBeagles Jun 2025 #1
He wanted to avoid jail. luvallpeeps Jun 2025 #2
I think it was partly suppression... kentuck Jun 2025 #7
On top of all the ReThug gerrymandering? True Dough Jun 2025 #3
I believe IT had his vote counters in North Carolina but I would have to ask eLoon about LoisB Jun 2025 #4
Trump is to stupid to pull it off. Musk amerikat Jun 2025 #5
For sure canetoad Jun 2025 #37
Trump essentially said that Musk had found ways to exploit weaknesses in the tabulation systems Bluetus Jun 2025 #6
Then why didn't Musk hack downballot races? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #11
Maybe he just had someone hand out $100 dollar bills just to vote for Trump? kentuck Jun 2025 #12
It's an angle without evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #16
Was it investigated? kentuck Jun 2025 #18
It's extremely common for people to vote for president and leave the rest of the ballot blank Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #22
In Pennsylvania in 2024, There were about 71,000 more votes for President Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #39
The reality based community thanks you for your support Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #41
Facts matter. Thank you for sharing this EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #75
The entire argument Mountainguy Jun 2025 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #40
Risk/Reward Bluetus Jun 2025 #47
As you said, all theories, with no evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #59
That's EXACTLY what I'm saying Bluetus Jun 2025 #69
They have conducted audits Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #72
Please provide evidence of any recount activity in any of the swing states. Bluetus Jun 2025 #81
You must think the secs of state and Marc Elias are dumb hicks Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #83
You are getting so close, but Bluetus Jun 2025 #90
Audits include reviews of chain of custody, as well as partial recounts, among other things. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #92
You are correct. I do not trust the Dem SoS Bluetus Jun 2025 #94
Spreading evidence-free CT's reduces confidence and is likely to reduce turnout Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #96
I'm not the one spreading CTs. Bluetus Jun 2025 #98
So, it appears to come down to this: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #99
I am not denying anything. Bluetus Jun 2025 #100
Well, since you are truly an experienced expert in the field, your duty to your country is clear Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #105
I get it that you don't understand. Your sarcasm does not legitimize your willingness to deny Bluetus Jun 2025 #106
*sigh* Gee, Whiz... Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #108
This is not complicated, not for IT people Bluetus Jun 2025 #109
Most state governments have their own IT depts. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #110
Has absolutely NOTHING to do with state governments Bluetus Jun 2025 #111
You haven't answered a very important question Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #113
Those are excellent questions Bluetus Jun 2025 #114
I have answered your questions. Now, you answer one for me. Bluetus Jun 2025 #115
You have explained what is *possible* Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #116
What I am doing Bluetus Jun 2025 #117
Regarding the models Bluetus Jun 2025 #112
Information for your enlightenment: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #65
Information for YOUR enlightenment Bluetus Jun 2025 #70
The county in question had hundreds of thousands of votes cast Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #73
Not only exact same arguments made in 2020 by Trump - Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #74
Maybe he did Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #104
If by cheated, you mean altered or tampered with vote tallies Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #8
"he used quasi-legal methods to suppress voters' rights and reject valid votes for flimsy reasons" kentuck Jun 2025 #9
With millions of 2020 voters staying home, how would one know? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #14
Very possible. kentuck Jun 2025 #23
exactly: the elections are secure -- Krasnov cheats in other ways cadoman Jun 2025 #57
Indeed, but when the word "cheating" is used, people assume it means votes were changed. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #60
it's absolutely a problem with the term and we need a better term for it cadoman Jun 2025 #63
Dropping the term "cheating" is not surrendering any weapons Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #67
so what term do you use to describe how "he" won? (nt) cadoman Jun 2025 #88
In a single word? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #89
if one word encompasses six concepts but we refuse to use it cadoman Jun 2025 #91
So, is it cheating if a husband lies to his wife? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #93
Of course it's possible to cheat with the equipment we have questionseverything Jun 2025 #79
are you an expert on computer election equipment? cadoman Jun 2025 #87
If lying through... Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #85
The DNC and Democratic Candidates ... PBC_Democrat Jun 2025 #10
He's engaged in "legal" cheating. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #13
Hard to believe all of those are legal, huh? kentuck Jun 2025 #15
It won't be legal once we expand the courts Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #19
We don't want to admit that there may be corruption in our Party also. kentuck Jun 2025 #21
Some really disappointing names on the bill, although I'm not surprised to see Hickenlooper's name. CrispyQ Jun 2025 #62
He cheats at golf. bluedigger Jun 2025 #17
I think it would be naive to think he didn't cheat.... kentuck Jun 2025 #20
Whether or not the cheating changed the outcome is a separate question. bluedigger Jun 2025 #24
Define "cheated." SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #25
When has he not cheated? ZDU Jun 2025 #26
If he's breathing choie Jun 2025 #27
The question ForgedCrank Jun 2025 #28
Why is "I'm not sure" or "don't know" NOT an option in your poll? Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #29
Same with me mvd Jun 2025 #31
I still don't think that was really possible, BUT--- I am less sure about it. Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #32
Do I think he'd cheat if he could? Yes. Do I think he might have cheated? Yes. But have I seen any evidence? No. Doodley Jun 2025 #30
I'm in NC... ms liberty Jun 2025 #33
Yes, but I think he did actually win also JI7 Jun 2025 #34
Let's tick off the "conspiracy theories" that turned out to be true JHB Jun 2025 #35
He once orchestrated an insurrection, of course he cheated. Emile Jun 2025 #36
If true, then the outcome of the 2026 election is already determined Kaleva Jun 2025 #38
Because he told us he did montanacowboy Jun 2025 #42
Trump adheres to the pro-wrestling dictum: comradebillyboy Jun 2025 #43
He cheated with the aid of Elon Musk, Peter Theil, and Steve Bannon! Initech Jun 2025 #44
NO F"N WAY he won all the swing states bob4460 Jun 2025 #45
Where's the "is the Pope Catholic?" line jmowreader Jun 2025 #46
This is absolutely false. There is a district where that happened EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #78
Politifact seems to say... Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #86
Would spreading false information like you did qualify as cheating? EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #97
I haven't said that there is a county where Harris got zero votes. Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #107
Your math doesn't work. See edit. rzemanfl Aug 2025 #118
Please define 'cheated'. TIA Celerity Jun 2025 #48
From Oxford dictionary: kentuck Jun 2025 #50
I think that Trump lied thousands of times, that there were thousands of scurilous false attack adverts run by the RW, Celerity Jun 2025 #56
I think Rebl2 Jun 2025 #49
has he ever not cheated? rampartd Jun 2025 #51
Of course Maine Abu El Banat Jun 2025 #52
he's a con. through and through stillcool Jun 2025 #53
I WAS skeptical of these claims.... Happy Hoosier Jun 2025 #54
With regards to the voting, or his wife? usonian Jun 2025 #55
Simply for one reason. No..not in concrete but,. chouchou Jun 2025 #58
Elon cheated. milestogo Jun 2025 #61
But to what degree? kentuck Jun 2025 #66
The software was coded to affect the tabulation of votes kimbutgar Jun 2025 #64
I don't know how, but he is a cheater Americanme Jun 2025 #68
I feel like we are perilously close Sympthsical Jun 2025 #71
Elon bought it for him get the red out Jun 2025 #76
Not at all DFW Jun 2025 #77
What I THINK, does t matter. johnnyfins Jun 2025 #80
Didn't but changed mind recently. Cheats that include Trump made Trump POTUS. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2025 #84
VOTER SUPPRESSION and B.See Jun 2025 #95
There hasn't been a non-compromised election purple_haze Jun 2025 #101
The normal republican cheating plus Buzz cook Jun 2025 #102
He's a cheater, cheater and a wife beater Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #103
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