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sheshe2

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124. Of course it was against Biden.

Tue Jul 1, 2025, 12:46 AM

Jul 2025

And "Uncommitted" is not a vote, it is a cop out. Especially in that critical time when we all knew what was at stake with a second trump win. He made it clear what he was and what he would do, he said he would raze Gaza and more. And we sure as hell is giving us more.

Less-than-full-throated-support is not opposition, nor is pressuring a fellow party member with the only leverage you have.

You state that "pressuring" a fellow party member with an "uncommitted" is the only leverage you have? No, nope, voting yay or nay is your leverage.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] PeaceWave Jun 2025 OP

Hmmph well isn't that a kick in the teeth.. Peacetrain Jun 2025 #1

I'll say the same thing to you choie Jun 2025 #2

"c'mon man" ? Now you know it's a fresh young Progressive to kick around. Autumn Jun 2025 #5

People seem to forget the Uncommitted Movement was in the primaries as a way to try to influence candidates on Gaza. Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #22

The more I hear him talk, the more I learn about him, I admire him more. Autumn Jun 2025 #29

Once a voter has been convinced to disengage from the primary, they're not returning for the General. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #38

Oh really? I didn't know that. I was disengaged in the primary but returned for the General. I must have been the Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #49

Same here Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2025 #50

Well that's two of us. But we must be outliers because someone much more knowledgeable said so. Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #87

Please clarify your comment. sheshe2 Jul 2025 #130

Not Harris, heck no Just_Vote_Dem Jul 2025 #131

You're welcome. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #53

You know that how? Where's the research and data showing that? KPN Jun 2025 #71

The election results speak for themselves. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #73

Okay, so pure speculation and surmising as I thought. Only those people who may not have voted or voted Trump due to KPN Jun 2025 #114

They do? So let's talk about how Trump got 35% of the Jewish vote vanessa_ca Jul 2025 #121

Sadly true and I believe it made a difference mountain grammy Jul 2025 #149

Re: disengage from the primary LudwigPastorius Jun 2025 #109

Good imagination. nt PufPuf23 Jul 2025 #129

And it transformed into a movement that helped give is Trump. Happy Hoosier Jul 2025 #155

It's unbelievable how many Dems want to sink Mamdani. I don't think these attempts are getting the results you Pisces Jun 2025 #3

The hatred towards Muslims here is shocking. Autumn Jun 2025 #6

+1 leftstreet Jun 2025 #9

Is it hatred toward Muslims Mossfern Jun 2025 #67

Hatred. They demand something from him that they expect from no one else. nt Autumn Jun 2025 #72

I respectfully disagree with you Mossfern Jun 2025 #88

That is simply not true mcar Jun 2025 #91

Mamdani intelpug Jul 2025 #123

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2025 #137

Have you actually read what he said choie Jun 2025 #101

I read what he said. Mossfern Jun 2025 #112

Amen choie Jun 2025 #100

Hatred is a strong word purple_haze Jul 2025 #178

Well either he supported the uncommitted movement against President Biden totodeinhere Jun 2025 #7

But young voters and other things! BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #14

He did have a massive youth turnout AZProgressive Jun 2025 #76

Unfortunately, many people fear change Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2025 #81

There are other issues that are unpopular with Democrats that many people here find perfectly acceptable. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #86

I also don't think most democrats agree with "seizing the means of production" fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #113

He was 28 or 29 when he said it. Thats pretty youthful. yardwork Jul 2025 #143

This one certainly doesn't! purple_haze Jul 2025 #181

Using a potential promise of his vote in support of human rights Easterncedar Jun 2025 #31

Thank you! TheProle Jun 2025 #32

The problem is the framing. It's dishonest. AloeVera Jun 2025 #92

It doesn't matter now JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #98

I wish I could rec this post 10000 times purple_haze Jul 2025 #179

It's more hatred toward policies that aren't tied to corporate donors and the prison industrial complex AStern Jun 2025 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Jul 2025 #120

Wish I could "pull the lever" for Mamdani!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2025 #139

There is some seriously bad judgment on display out there BeyondGeography Jul 2025 #133

Well it's certainly not helping... we need to be unified if were gonna stave off the MAGAts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2025 #140

Scare tactics to whip up hysteria thought crime Jul 2025 #135

And these are Democrats!! Mamdani was democratically nominated to be NY's mayoral candidate so let's support him & win!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2025 #136

Not gonna work. Kingofalldems Jun 2025 #4

Sounds serious Torchlight Jun 2025 #8

Mamdani won the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York Prairie Gates Jun 2025 #10

He's DU's new number one it guy, so I'm sure he will be afforded all of that and more. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #12

It's one of the great values of this space that we collectively agree not to relitigate primaries Prairie Gates Jun 2025 #13

Very true. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #17

DU has developed unique rules and culture, it is true - and they are distinct from norms of public discourse Prairie Gates Jun 2025 #21

How do we know he wasnt? SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #28

You mean, you hope people here won't be urging an "Uncommitted" vote RandomNumbers Jun 2025 #80

Bernie on line one... pick up. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2025 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #11

This is very disappointing news. But it explains a lot of what I've been hearing AND NOT HEARING recently. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 2025 #162

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2025 #16

What "situation " He's the Democratic canidate for the Mayor of NY City. Lochloosa Jun 2025 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2025 #19

Reminds me when they called Obama presidency an experiment Pisces Jun 2025 #45

But primarying incumbent Democrats mcar Jun 2025 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 2025 #117

This had nothing to do with him, but.i do agree with the sentiment 👏 Lochloosa Jul 2025 #142

I know a lot of people had hurt feelings about it, but the uncommitted movement was not "against" Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #20

The effect is the same. If an elected official convinces someone to NOT vote in the primary * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #25

The point of "uncommitted" is that people DID vote in the primary, participating in all races but voting "uncommitted" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #33

Once they declared themselves as "uncommitted" in the Primaries they never returned for the General. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #34

Some did, some didn't; same as all voters. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #36

No. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #39

Yes, it was against Biden. RandySF Jun 2025 #56

It was also against VP Harris because the Uncommitted Movement refused to endorse VP Harris lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 2025 #175

lol what in the world BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #75

The Uncommitted movement was very much against Biden comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #122

Of course it was against Biden. sheshe2 Jul 2025 #124

So does this mean he didn't vote for our candidate for President? Nixie Jun 2025 #23

Sick of big money influence slandering our candidates. Emile Jun 2025 #24

This shines a new light on the question everyone's been asking wondering why some Democratic leaders * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #43

Follow the money. Emile Jul 2025 #132

Well isn't that special. Is it legitimate to ask who he voted for in the General Election? lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #26

Nobody's perfect SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #27

Well, shit! pandr32 Jun 2025 #30

I've known about it for awhile Cha Jun 2025 #52

I'm disappointed, too. pandr32 Jun 2025 #97

Aloha pandr 💙🕯️🕊️🇺🇸🌈🇨🇦💙💛 Cha Jun 2025 #99

This was during the primary Easterncedar Jun 2025 #35

The uncommited movement refused to endorse VP Harris for the Presidential election against trump? lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #37

It convinces me that the misinformation machine was effective Easterncedar Jun 2025 #41

Then I guess there is sure a lot of manipulation going on, because much of the same folks seem to lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #61

You left out 1933. Harris and Walz tried Easterncedar Jun 2025 #65

Very good question choie Jun 2025 #104

That is exactly my point. yardwork Jul 2025 #144

He says he voted for Harris but during the campaign focused JI7 Jun 2025 #66

No inference needed. The movement came out AGAINST voting for Trump or Stein. AloeVera Jun 2025 #84

Did they vote for Harris Mossfern Jun 2025 #116

See post # 150. AloeVera Jul 2025 #151

Link please, I must have missed all that. sheshe2 Jul 2025 #126

This whole thread incorrectly conflates Uncommitted with Abandon Biden/Harris. AloeVera Jul 2025 #146

Implies not infers. choie Jun 2025 #102

It's deliberate. Some people would prefer a MAGAT in office than a real progressive vanessa_ca Jun 2025 #46

Yep Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2025 #60

de rec Celerity Jun 2025 #42

That was for the primary, not the general Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #44

Here you are with facts and perspective... AloeVera Jun 2025 #47

The facts were lacking. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #54

No... I hate to break it to you, but the "leave it blank" and "Abandon Harris" movement * Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #48

You are mistaken Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #58

Yes it was. You're correct about that... but... Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #63

So both supported the "uncommitted" strategy Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #77

Some are trying hard though, bless their hearts :) n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2025 #64

No. Not only was the Uncommitted Movement separate from Abandon Harris... AloeVera Jun 2025 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jun 2025 #51

That's it - I'm not voting for him Retrograde Jun 2025 #55

Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2025 #78

Shame on him. Shame on them all. mcar Jun 2025 #57

This speaks volumes I think lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #70

Shame for what, exactly? AloeVera Jun 2025 #85

How is Trump working out for a ceasefire? He wants to build Nixie Jul 2025 #128

Gaza was crushed while Biden was in office. AloeVera Jul 2025 #153

Trump is finishing Gaza off in pursuit of a capitalist's dreams Nixie Jul 2025 #161

The shame is in not ever speaking out about the war crimes and atrocities. Not in Biden's time and not now. AloeVera Jul 2025 #163

You keep blaming Biden when Trump is making a fool out of the Nixie Jul 2025 #165

When you have condemned ISRAEL's barbarity and ayrocities - AloeVera Jul 2025 #168

Gaza was sold down the river willingly to Trump.. Nixie Jul 2025 #169

Whatever lets you sleep at night... n/t AloeVera Jul 2025 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 2025 #183

What's upside down is campaigning against mcar Jul 2025 #152

There is "pushing" and then there is "doing". AloeVera Jul 2025 #171

There sure is a lot of revisionism of the '24 primaries. RandySF Jun 2025 #59

You mean Abandon Biden/Harris? Nope. Different group. AloeVera Jun 2025 #93

If they advised not voting for either Trump or Stein Mossfern Jun 2025 #118

Obviously the message was to vote for Harris. AloeVera Jul 2025 #150

Cuomo is runnnig as an independent and will split the dem vote giving the repuke the election. mdbl Jun 2025 #68

I agree. This is what people SHOULD actually be worried about. Not Mamdani or anything related to him. Karasu Jun 2025 #69

The collective meltdown here would be a sight to behold BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #90

No. The race at this point would be between Cuomo and Mamdani. Scrivener7 Jul 2025 #134

Cuomo would be splitting votes with Adams, leaving Mamdani a pathway to victory. Zohran25 Jul 2025 #159

Hey. Let's go after the Teamsters next Easterncedar Jun 2025 #74

.... Docreed2003 Jun 2025 #82

This guy is apparently scaring the right people... appmanga Jun 2025 #83

This reminds me of what happened in our past too. Emile Jun 2025 #89

If I could recommend this more than once choie Jun 2025 #105

What "sank Hillary" was GD Fucking Jill Stein's LIES Cha Jun 2025 #115

Hillary refusal to campaigning in swing states cost her the election. Zohran25 Jul 2025 #170

NO.. GD Jill Stein's LIES That Hillary & Traitor Cha Jul 2025 #173

This! yardwork Jul 2025 #145

Uncommitted was universally condemned here. RandySF Jun 2025 #94

So this guy supported Trump in the Presidential Election? WSHazel Jun 2025 #95

Are you for real? choie Jun 2025 #106

He was officially "uncommitted" WSHazel Jun 2025 #110

No. He did not. AloeVera Jun 2025 #111

He supported the "Uncommitted" movement WSHazel Jul 2025 #141

I should have stopped reading at "Mamdani was working to peel votes away from Harris". A fabrication. AloeVera Jul 2025 #164

Lots of people maligned Harris with the "Uncommitted" Movement WSHazel Jul 2025 #166

There ya go. And so many here are falling all over themselves to root for this guy... brush Jun 2025 #96

Oh no! choie Jun 2025 #107

Maybe not you Mossfern Jul 2025 #119

He clearly signaled he was alieghed with the Muslims who didh't for Harris. Ooga booge at. that. brush Jul 2025 #176

How much influence does a New York State Assembly rep have over a presidential election? AloeVera Jul 2025 #174

If he wins, the mayor of NYC clear has national influence and will be pointed to... brush Jul 2025 #180

I'm more interested in what he did after that. LudwigPastorius Jun 2025 #108

About Mamdani, I confess I B.See Jul 2025 #125

Well said purple_haze Jul 2025 #182

It was a good strategy Buzz cook Jul 2025 #127

"Biden's complicity in genocide". Don't even try to hide this shit any more, huh? nt LexVegas Jul 2025 #148

Biden was not the candidate. And it was Democrat leaders who didn't Demsrule86 Jul 2025 #157

Biden was the one Buzz cook Jul 2025 #186

Why hide it? Buzz cook Jul 2025 #185

On that last point, I'd have to agree. B.See Jul 2025 #167

Of course he did. nt LexVegas Jul 2025 #147

Yeah he screwed up on that one Samael13 Jul 2025 #154

I am not in New York...however, the primary has been held and Mamdani won. Demsrule86 Jul 2025 #156

Didn't he sign the obligatory Loyalty Oath? Ping Tung Jul 2025 #158

He's the Democratic nominee. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but this is ridiculous. Get over it. Scrivener7 Jul 2025 #160

Well, that stinks purple_haze Jul 2025 #177

This one is from even earlier: Polybius Jul 2025 #184