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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]AloeVera
(4,283 posts)146. This whole thread incorrectly conflates Uncommitted with Abandon Biden/Harris.
The Uncommitted Movement tried to force a change in policy but did not tell voters to turn away from Democrats and vote for Trump or Stein as the Abandon movement did.
Here is the link and excerpts.
"Harriss unwillingness to shift on unconditional weapons policy or to even make a clear campaign statement in support of upholding existing U.S. and international human rights law has made it impossible for us to endorse her," organizers of the Uncommitted National Movement said in a statement.
"At this time, our movement 1) cannot endorse Vice President Harris; 2) opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing; and 3) is not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our countrys broken electoral college system," the statement continued.
"At this time, our movement 1) cannot endorse Vice President Harris; 2) opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing; and 3) is not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our countrys broken electoral college system," the statement continued.
On Trump:
In a press conference after the announcement, leaders stressed that they are urging voters to "block" a second Trump term. But telling voters who have lost loved ones in Gaza to support Harris, Alawieh said, would be "inappropriate."
Alawieh called the non-endorsement "something we have to do."
"We know how dangerous Donald Trump is," he said. "There was no way, ever, that our movement ... would recommend a vote that would specifically help Donald Trump."
"We said to [disenchanted voters] that the way that we would endorse vice president Harris is if she moved her policy, or if she turned the page to a new approach, and she just hasn't done that yet," Alawieh said.
Alawieh called the non-endorsement "something we have to do."
"We know how dangerous Donald Trump is," he said. "There was no way, ever, that our movement ... would recommend a vote that would specifically help Donald Trump."
"We said to [disenchanted voters] that the way that we would endorse vice president Harris is if she moved her policy, or if she turned the page to a new approach, and she just hasn't done that yet," Alawieh said.
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/g-s1-23736/uncommitted-movement-no-endorsement-harris-trump-2024
Mamdani is pro-Palestinian, pro human rights. Of course he would want a change in a policy that resulted in the slaughter of thousands as if their rights to protection were non-existent. It is not surprising to me that he advocated for this political strategy of trying to force a change of direction. Did he ever at some point say don't vote for Biden/Harris? I doubt it and no evidence has surfaced.
The bad framing, conflation and lack of context is an attack on him. It's unfair, untrue and no good will come of it.
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People seem to forget the Uncommitted Movement was in the primaries as a way to try to influence candidates on Gaza.
Nanjeanne
Jun 2025
#22
Once a voter has been convinced to disengage from the primary, they're not returning for the General.
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2025
#38
Oh really? I didn't know that. I was disengaged in the primary but returned for the General. I must have been the
Nanjeanne
Jun 2025
#49
Well that's two of us. But we must be outliers because someone much more knowledgeable said so.
Nanjeanne
Jun 2025
#87
Okay, so pure speculation and surmising as I thought. Only those people who may not have voted or voted Trump due to
KPN
Jun 2025
#114
It's unbelievable how many Dems want to sink Mamdani. I don't think these attempts are getting the results you
Pisces
Jun 2025
#3
There are other issues that are unpopular with Democrats that many people here find perfectly acceptable.
BannonsLiver
Jun 2025
#86
I also don't think most democrats agree with "seizing the means of production"
fujiyamasan
Jun 2025
#113
It's more hatred toward policies that aren't tied to corporate donors and the prison industrial complex
AStern
Jun 2025
#40
Well it's certainly not helping... we need to be unified if were gonna stave off the MAGAts!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2025
#140
And these are Democrats!! Mamdani was democratically nominated to be NY's mayoral candidate so let's support him & win!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2025
#136
He's DU's new number one it guy, so I'm sure he will be afforded all of that and more.
BannonsLiver
Jun 2025
#12
It's one of the great values of this space that we collectively agree not to relitigate primaries
Prairie Gates
Jun 2025
#13
DU has developed unique rules and culture, it is true - and they are distinct from norms of public discourse
Prairie Gates
Jun 2025
#21
This is very disappointing news. But it explains a lot of what I've been hearing AND NOT HEARING recently.
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2025
#15
I know a lot of people had hurt feelings about it, but the uncommitted movement was not "against" Biden.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jun 2025
#20
The effect is the same. If an elected official convinces someone to NOT vote in the primary *
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2025
#25
The point of "uncommitted" is that people DID vote in the primary, participating in all races but voting "uncommitted"
WhiskeyGrinder
Jun 2025
#33
Once they declared themselves as "uncommitted" in the Primaries they never returned for the General.
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2025
#34
It was also against VP Harris because the Uncommitted Movement refused to endorse VP Harris
lostincalifornia
Jun 2025
#62
This shines a new light on the question everyone's been asking wondering why some Democratic leaders *
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2025
#43
Well isn't that special. Is it legitimate to ask who he voted for in the General Election?
lostincalifornia
Jun 2025
#26
The uncommited movement refused to endorse VP Harris for the Presidential election against trump?
lostincalifornia
Jun 2025
#37
Then I guess there is sure a lot of manipulation going on, because much of the same folks seem to
lostincalifornia
Jun 2025
#61
This whole thread incorrectly conflates Uncommitted with Abandon Biden/Harris.
AloeVera
Jul 2025
#146
It's deliberate. Some people would prefer a MAGAT in office than a real progressive
vanessa_ca
Jun 2025
#46
No... I hate to break it to you, but the "leave it blank" and "Abandon Harris" movement *
Oopsie Daisy
Jun 2025
#48
The shame is in not ever speaking out about the war crimes and atrocities. Not in Biden's time and not now.
AloeVera
Jul 2025
#163
Cuomo is runnnig as an independent and will split the dem vote giving the repuke the election.
mdbl
Jun 2025
#68
I agree. This is what people SHOULD actually be worried about. Not Mamdani or anything related to him.
Karasu
Jun 2025
#69
Cuomo would be splitting votes with Adams, leaving Mamdani a pathway to victory.
Zohran25
Jul 2025
#159
I should have stopped reading at "Mamdani was working to peel votes away from Harris". A fabrication.
AloeVera
Jul 2025
#164
There ya go. And so many here are falling all over themselves to root for this guy...
brush
Jun 2025
#96
He clearly signaled he was alieghed with the Muslims who didh't for Harris. Ooga booge at. that.
brush
Jul 2025
#176
How much influence does a New York State Assembly rep have over a presidential election?
AloeVera
Jul 2025
#174
If he wins, the mayor of NYC clear has national influence and will be pointed to...
brush
Jul 2025
#180
"Biden's complicity in genocide". Don't even try to hide this shit any more, huh? nt
LexVegas
Jul 2025
#148