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Ocelot II

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10. Yeah, let's blame the Democrats some more.

Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:38 AM

Jul 2025

What, exactly, could they have done as a minority party to stop the bill? What could they have offered GOP legislators or threatened them with that would have been sufficient to overcome the promises and threats of other GOPers, Trump and MAGA? They tried shaming them with eloquent speeches, but shame, which was their last weapon, no longer has any effect on Republicans. Don't criticize the Democrats for taking knives to a gunfight when they had nothing but their knives - their votes, all of them - and guns were completely out of reach. I'd like to hear your suggestions for what they could have done for real that they didn't do. Just how would "leadership, strategy and coordinated messaging" have produced more GOP votes against the bill?

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Tepid, at best. The weak resistance to "the big beautiful bill" once again is a missed opportunity to show a unified [View all] Zipgun Jul 2025 OP

Can you be specific about what more you think they could have done? EdmondDantes_ Jul 2025 #1

Dragged the process out till after the 4th. Preventing this bill from passing was never a possibility as the GOP Zipgun Jul 2025 #12

How? Magic hand waving doesn't answer the specific how EdmondDantes_ Jul 2025 #18

I'm critical of leadership but this was inevitable newdeal2 Jul 2025 #2

The bill's ultimate passing was inevitable, but the 4th photo op signing was not. Zipgun Jul 2025 #13

Still waiting for your explanation as to how, under the rules governing Senate action onenote Jul 2025 #22

And what good would it do Keepthesoulalive Jul 2025 #27

In reality, the problem may be the Republican elected officials fear Trump more than their constituents karynnj Jul 2025 #3

Yeah, this is all Democrats' fault mcar Jul 2025 #4

Of Course.. amazing how no chance Cha Jul 2025 #19

Once it was clear it was going to pass, Democrats should have just walked out. The floor speeches were a waste of Silent Type Jul 2025 #5

Well, I'm not familiar with your posts, so I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here. MineralMan Jul 2025 #6

I said stopping the bill was not possible, but delaying it was. Why give Trump his 4th photo op? Why let the GOP make Zipgun Jul 2025 #15

Again, you don't seem to have a grasp of how the Senate process works. onenote Jul 2025 #23

Should I have applauded Schumer for giving up all our leverage with the extension because he was afraid Zipgun Jul 2025 #30

And you still haven't given a single solid example of how Democrats could've delayed the Big Ugly Bill. onenote Jul 2025 #36

What a dumb thread. More trashing Democrats for things Republicans do. tritsofme Jul 2025 #7

So we should praise "good" but ineffective democrats? Can you please list their important wins? Small wins? Zipgun Jul 2025 #33

Your post has a significant math problem Renew Deal Jul 2025 #8

You have a significant calendar problem. They could have made it their goal to blow the GOP's self imposed deadline. Zipgun Jul 2025 #17

A symbolic waste of time Renew Deal Jul 2025 #29

Do you think that now this bill has passed that congress is going to pass good legislation? Zipgun Jul 2025 #32

You make some good points leftstreet Jul 2025 #9

Yeah, let's blame the Democrats some more. Ocelot II Jul 2025 #10

Not much else they could have done Buckeyeblue Jul 2025 #11

The vote arama had the most amendments ever dsc Jul 2025 #14

the Dems literally did all the stalling/procedural stuff you think they didn't do Takket Jul 2025 #16

The GOP has been telegraphing budget reconciliation for months. Sure this bill could not have been filibustered, but Zipgun Jul 2025 #25

We see what you're trying to do here - demoralize Dems. Sogo Jul 2025 #20

No, no you don't. I don't "work" for anyone. But I would like my party to "work" for me. Better yet, fight smarter. Zipgun Jul 2025 #21

WHY DON'T DEMOCRATS STOP ... OH WAIT I MEAN DRAG IT OUT A LITTLE ... ALL THE BAD THINGS REPUBLICANS DO? betsuni Jul 2025 #24

THEY SHOULD! That's my answer. slow everything down as much as possible. You think this is the last bad thing they Zipgun Jul 2025 #26

Democrats don't control the House, though. Republicans did for majority of Clinton and Obama admin. betsuni Jul 2025 #28

Or even a specific action that was legal that they could have taken this time? Renew Deal Jul 2025 #31

Gingrich lead the GOP to torpedo as many bills as possible to frustrate voters and paint the democratically controlled Zipgun Jul 2025 #35

What bills did Gingrich lead the GOP to torpedo? Name some. How was he the leader before he was Speaker? betsuni Jul 2025 #37

I'm not going to pretend qazplm135 Jul 2025 #34

I think it's fine that Trump signed his big ugly bill on the 4th. Morbius Jul 2025 #38