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2na fisherman

(361 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:48 AM Jul 2025

Maga friend debates ICE as Secret Police [View all]

We've been friends since high school. He's well educated and has a college degree. And he has travelled the world in various jobs. He married an Irish woman. And I mentioned that she could be "denaturalized." I knew he voted for Trump but still wish to remain friends with him because I don't like to be all Us vs Them. I want to understand how he arrived at his views which now seem the opposite of mine. I recently sent him the Rick Wilson (Lincoln Project) video on ICE as Trump's new Secret Police. I was worried for him because he is very well armed and the ICE no-knock raids got me thinking he could be killed in a mistaken raid on his home as soon as he pointed his weapons at them. He failed to see my point and said no one has been killed by such raids. He said it's "paranoid" to fear LEO's in this way. And he also said the following:
"We know that the leftist-fueled Democratic party has shown a propensity for violence especially over the last ten years. For example attempting to assinate [SIC] the President and a Supreme Court Justice. They have also encouraged unrest and violence against Police and people that do not agree with them. Defund the Police, releasing criminals from prisons, releasing violent illegal aliens back into the community..." (Interesting typo, he's already very assinated [SIC] ).
I told him it's odd how we see such events so differently now years after our high school days. But I now think it serves no purpose to debate such things. He mentioned Trump Derangement Syndrome, as if some irrational hatred of Trump dismisses all policy arguments against him. He ignored my point that people, even US citizens, are being denied due process and sent to offshore detention centers by unidentified masked purported agents of the government. I now believe it must take some very dangerous moments in history for Maga folks to realize for themselves that they have been betrayed and must suffer great personal harms by what they voted for. And everyone will suffer along with them.

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"Democrats releasing criminals from prison". I nearly spit out my oatmeal. Firestorm49 Jul 2025 #1
This is their alternate reality. Everything is backwards and upside down. travelingthrulife Jul 2025 #5
I have a couple MAGA co-workers... haele Jul 2025 #16
college degrees lapfog_1 Jul 2025 #2
May I offer unsolicited advice Bread and Circuses Jul 2025 #3
My hatred for Trump is totally rational. Haggard Celine Jul 2025 #4
Rational Hatred 2na fisherman Jul 2025 #7
Glad you're no longer a lurker. Haggard Celine Jul 2025 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Heidi Jul 2025 #21
Why do you want to maintain a friendship with this guy? Heidi Jul 2025 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2025 #9
It's definitely NOT healthy for me to keep MAGAts in my life Arazi Jul 2025 #12
Nazi supporters are Nazis JoseBalow Jul 2025 #14
Why do you subject yourself to that toxicity, though? Heidi Jul 2025 #15
Hey, welcome to DU... hwmnbn Jul 2025 #17
It's healthy until you find yourself nodding with them haele Jul 2025 #18
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2025 #20
No friendship to be had there. JCMach1 Jul 2025 #10
It's never too late to cut ties. BannonsLiver Jul 2025 #11
maga friend is an oxymoron 2MuchNoise Jul 2025 #13
He sounds like an assinate (sic) yardwork Jul 2025 #19
Personally, I wish we'd get to the part where Trump tells them to drink the poison Kool-Aid. Vinca Jul 2025 #22
They love to use the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" trope. progressoid Jul 2025 #23
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