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AloeVera

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33. That was as wrong then as it is now.

Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:46 PM

Aug 2025

As a reaction to WWII barbarism and atrocities, we now have the UN and Laws of War, Humanitarian laws.

If you rely on WWII atrocities to make your case, you have already lost the argument.

I wonder if you would feel the same if it were the civilians in the US or in Israel who suffered as the people in Gaza are suffering. For example, if the Vietnamese or the Iraqis were somehow able to attack those two countries in EXACTLY THE SAME MANNER? Then, after murdering a good many of the civilians, kicked the rest out of their own country and moved in their own people.

I have the feeling EVERYONE here would be screaming bloody murder. Justly so. Revenge on civilians is wrong. Stealing land and resources is wrong. Violating international laws is wrong. Justification for these things is non-existent.

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Haaretz - Leading Israeli Author David Grossman Calls Gaza War a 'Genocide [View all] womanofthehills Aug 2025 OP

I think he is representative of a political strain that has little to do with contemporary Israel. David__77 Aug 2025 #1

what you're describing is apartheid mike_c Aug 2025 #2

Twenty percent of the population of Israel murielm99 Aug 2025 #3

Correct me if I'm wrong iemanja Aug 2025 #4

Unequal access to shelters is yet another form of discrimination Palestinian Citizens of Israel face. AloeVera Aug 2025 #27

Please. Gaza is an entirely different story. Time to stop turning a blind eye to it. brush Aug 2025 #5

You present a balanced point of view. murielm99 Aug 2025 #6

Thank you. I'm neutral except for Hamas and Netanyahu. I want them out of the picture never... brush Aug 2025 #7

Palestinians are restricted to using certain roads and highways questionseverything Aug 2025 #26

There are Palestinians who live in the country full time murielm99 Aug 2025 #34

Unless they need a bomb shelter or to use public infrastructure questionseverything Aug 2025 #35

Give it a rest. murielm99 Aug 2025 #36

And I am saying that you are incorrect in your "telling " questionseverything Aug 2025 #37

Bye. murielm99 Aug 2025 #41

Jimmy Carter nailed it malaise Aug 2025 #9

I think the ethos of most of us here is likewise not reflected in America. harumph Aug 2025 #30

Waaaaay too late buddy. Hindsight is going to be brutal for Israel. It will take generations to fade the stain of Exp Aug 2025 #8

Weird how the stain of the horrors done by Hamas didn't stick to Palestinians. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #10

There is no comparison. This isn't just some tit for tat. Exp Aug 2025 #11

Right. Starting a war by invading, killing and raping hundreds of teens at a music festival is no comparison. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #12

Hamas lacks only the ability to do the slower atrocities EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #14

Palesitians were occupied. No real freedom of movement. Israeli settlers were steeling their land, bulldozing their Exp Aug 2025 #15

Butchering teens at a music festival is not "fighting back against the occupation." SunSeeker Aug 2025 #17

Sad for sure, but to Hamas supporters it was their way fighting back against the occupation, the murdering, the Exp Aug 2025 #20

"Sad"? Butchering babies is an atrocity. Canadians would never kill teens at a music concert. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #25

If I were to post pictures of actual dead babies - around 1,000 of them - would you think that was atrocity propaganda? AloeVera Aug 2025 #29

It is plain to many that Oct 7 is merely a pretext to take more land. harumph Aug 2025 #32

Agree 100%!! The entire West has been played for chumps for decades. AloeVera Aug 2025 #39

Your heart didn't break for the Jewish teens raped and killed on October 7? nt SunSeeker Aug 2025 #43

You think those videos of Hamas parading a dead girl through Gaza streets is "atrocity propaganda"? SunSeeker Aug 2025 #44

There's a reason that respected world leaders are defining Israel's actions as GENOCIDE. Is genocide an atrocity or Exp Aug 2025 #31

The Hamas "River to the Sea" chant is calling for genocide of Israelis. nt SunSeeker Aug 2025 #45

And Israel has their own 'River To The Sea' as well. But WHO IS ACTUALLY committing GENOCIDE? Exp Aug 2025 #46

Wrong. Israel is not calling for nor committing genocide, unlike Hamas. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #47

So Hamas gets the benefit of not being able to carry out their dreams of no more Israel? EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #49

Then you agree that Israel committed genocide. Voila! Exp Aug 2025 #50

If Canada launched an attack on a music festival and raped/killed kids, yes EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #48

A people is being killed by Americans bombs, while the Israel is protected by the US diplomatically. David__77 Aug 2025 #13

It's called war, David_77. Hamas could surrender and end the killing and starvation. nt SunSeeker Aug 2025 #16

Nazis waged war to oppress. Vietnamese waged war for independence. Not all war is worth defending. David__77 Aug 2025 #18

Vietnam didn't invade anybody. Hamas invaded Israel and butchered babies. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #22

I am thankful that most Democratic senators voted against weapons for Israel. David__77 Aug 2025 #23

It's a just war as long as Hamas refuses to surrender. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #28

That was as wrong then as it is now. AloeVera Aug 2025 #33

Hirohito called upon his country's forces to surrender after the bombing. Hamas should do the same. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #42

Some interesting historical questions...as you seem focused on history. AloeVera Aug 2025 #38

What country was invaded by the European Jews Hitler put in ovens? nt SunSeeker Aug 2025 #40

The 'killing' began long, long ago before Hamas existed. Know your history, please. Exp Aug 2025 #21

Hamas started this war by invading Israel. Know your history indeed. SunSeeker Aug 2025 #24

Are the American bombs used to kill civilians gifts or bought retail? Ping Tung Aug 2025 #19

The savagery from the beginning was a clue and not a subtle one either. It took willful blindness to not see it. AloeVera Aug 2025 #51