Nation that always cries it is a victim. Readies its army to expand mission creep.

[moniss]

106. It's hardly missing the point and I stand by everything I said and I would

point out to you that your statement about me "leaving out" things is not valid because I pointed out that there is much more but you apparently are under the impression that a single post on DU should encompass every historical detail and fact from over 100 years and more. That is why there are books to read. You brought up the point of violence and validity. I added to it and did not contradict in any way the statements you made. I expanded the discussion about validity of feelings and also I would note, once again, that I clearly stated that violence by either side is not going to resolve the issues of the despicable conduct of the West.

Your assumption that Great Britain, France and the US were late to the violence in the region rather than orchestrating it is in direct conflict with the known history before the end of WW1 and going forward well prior to the partition. Also I indicated that Israel should not suffer attacks but your comment was about the violence and understanding the situation and you brought up the validity of history. I expanded on the history and why groups use violence, why they feel this way and why agreements with the West/Israel are viewed as barely worth the paper they're written on and why this will continue to be a problem until the main promises made to the Palestinians long ago are addressed. I don't believe they ever will be addressed willingly by Israel because they have stated there will never be compensation or right of return. So the West can go along pretending to make agreements that bring peace but it will not happen. I have stated over and over many times that a "solution" should be imposed along with an international peacekeeping force similar to what has worked in the Sinai for decades now.

The purpose of my post was clear that people should understand that the last 100 years use of violence among groups in the region is an outgrowth of the conduct and interference by Western nations using all of the various factions for their own purposes and showing them that violence against others is what the Western nations have promoted for over 100 years. To say it doesn't matter to understand why the violence is there reduces this to a simplistic "fight or don't fight" when the matters are far more complex. You can't solve complex situations with simple decrees or desires for some sort of "let's stop fighting and then there will be peace" approach.

The broken promises and meddling by the West in the countries and all of the factions in the Middle East are at the heart of why this never gets resolved and it is not going to end, as I pointed out, even if Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran were to magically disappear. The facts of the promises remain and always will until they are addressed and resolved and arming one group or another will never make it go away.

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