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Crunchy Frog

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113. I haven't seen *any* posts on here making broad brush attacks on Jewish people.

Sun Aug 10, 2025, 07:07 AM

Aug 2025

If I saw such a post I would alert on it, as I hope you're doing when you see one. If it didn't get removed, I would try to directly contact Earl G about it. That kind of thing is completely unacceptable on DU.

I don't believe any criticism of Israel, no matter how harsh, is the same thing as attacking the Jewish people.

And just so you know, I hold the Russian people responsible for what's happening in Ukraine, even though they haven't had any meaningful say in choosing their leader in 25 years. I hold the American people in aggregate responsible for what's happening in this country right now. I don't believe that Israel is any more special than any other country. And I don't equate the state of Israel with Jewish people as a whole.

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Nation that always cries it is a victim. Readies its army to expand mission creep. [View all] Duncanpup Aug 2025 OP

"Try and stop me before I kill again." IDF motto. marble falls Aug 2025 #1

$40 billion a year in taxpayer money sent to Israel. Duncanpup Aug 2025 #2

Not including the millions sent in donations from individuals. marble falls Aug 2025 #3

Seriously. It's akin to "Southie" privately funding the IRA. paleotn Aug 2025 #16

Worse. Compare AIPAC which plays in US and Israeli politics and NORAID which purely bought arms, quite unsuccessfully .. marble falls Aug 2025 #111

Amen! paleotn Aug 2025 #14

Now, they appear to be a full-blown Soviet influenced Jewish state maxrandb Aug 2025 #32

And they have Universal Health Care Quanta Aug 2025 #26

The U.S. doesn't pay for Israelis' health care. yardwork Aug 2025 #33

What we give them frees up the money for the universal health care Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #54

That's simply incorrect. yardwork Aug 2025 #59

Not a falsehood Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #71

That is ridiculous from a total dollar stand point, but paleotn Aug 2025 #55

It's too bad we elected Trump, for those and many other reasons. yardwork Aug 2025 #61

Netanyahu knew Trump was in. Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #72

"We provide military aid, and not that much." PufPuf23 Aug 2025 #104

US aid to Israel was equivalent to $1,400 for every Israeli man, woman and child in 2024. David__77 Aug 2025 #110

That country loves playing victim. It never ends. writerJT Aug 2025 #4

Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #5

They are getting ready to Bettie Aug 2025 #6

One of tsf's moron sons said that part out loud 6+ months ago. rubbersole Aug 2025 #8

Kushner's ready. KPN Aug 2025 #25

This is probably all Hamas' fault or something Orrex Aug 2025 #7

Not defending what Israel is doing in Gaza, but they have been attacked repeatedly EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #9

There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. yardwork Aug 2025 #10

Diisappointing to see people condoning wholesale genocide and ethnic cleansing by bibi for profit. lark Aug 2025 #13

I haven't seen any of that here, but I don't see all posts. yardwork Aug 2025 #17

"Demonize Israel as an entire nation"???? maxrandb Aug 2025 #39

Israelis have more reason to vote for an authoritarian than we do. yardwork Aug 2025 #40

I genuinely hear you, feel for you, and understand where you're coming from even if I don't agree. vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #49

Yes, it would be acceptable to criticize Israeli leaders. yardwork Aug 2025 #51

I appreciate this clarification. ShazzieB Aug 2025 #75

Exactly. And btw I'm not Jewish. yardwork Aug 2025 #77

It makes it impossible to have a real discussion about JI7 Aug 2025 #19

I've read at least four books, three of them by Jewish writers, on Israel's history and founding. Lonestarblue Aug 2025 #23

And there are many other books that give a more nuanced history. yardwork Aug 2025 #34

Absolutely Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #78

It isn't ignorance sarisataka Aug 2025 #64

It's a mix. yardwork Aug 2025 #68

Pretending that justifies murder of an entire people is also ignoring history and humanity. lark Aug 2025 #11

I haven't seen anyone say it justifies murder of an entire people. yardwork Aug 2025 #18

Not directly, but saying destroying Gaza & it's people is ok - and ignoring the reality is really the same thing, IMO. lark Aug 2025 #20

I haven't seen anyone on DU say that. yardwork Aug 2025 #21

that's pretty much what the WHATABOUTISM is all about Skittles Aug 2025 #102

Serious question, did you somehow not see the part where I said I'm not defending that? EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #30

I think that's a fair statement. 70sEraVet Aug 2025 #12

It is their purpose to change us to a vicious undemocratic country & they start from the top. lark Aug 2025 #15

I think that saying our history "was uneven" misrepresents how bad we've been. yardwork Aug 2025 #22

It's a toughie. malthaussen Aug 2025 #24

I think the US did far worse in Iraq and Afghanistan alone. yardwork Aug 2025 #27

And you can't erase Israel's guilt by pointing out the faults of the US. CivicGrief Aug 2025 #53

Both nations are guilty. yardwork Aug 2025 #56

I would assume that most of us here Bettie Aug 2025 #96

It's not whataboutism. I condemn Israel's actions. yardwork Aug 2025 #97

I haven't seen *any* posts on here making broad brush attacks on Jewish people. Crunchy Frog Aug 2025 #113

Yeah, I was being nice for a change. lol lark Aug 2025 #31

Maybe be a little nicer to Jewish people? yardwork Aug 2025 #35

I don't whitewash AAmerican atrocities, but the worst was 100's of years ago. lark Aug 2025 #43

I'm afraid that's simply not true. yardwork Aug 2025 #48

Like you've said MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #92

Irgun started it all w a truck bomb on the 40s IbogaProject Aug 2025 #29

It did not start in the 1940s. yardwork Aug 2025 #36

OK 1930's IbogaProject Aug 2025 #47

Jews owned 6% of land in 1947. AloeVera Aug 2025 #95

Hold on! Israel begun invading other countries for expansion within decades of being GIVEN ( yes GIVEN) their own Exp Aug 2025 #45

Also not understanding why there is violence is also moniss Aug 2025 #46

Thanks for all your insight and knowledge. Great analysis. AloeVera Aug 2025 #90

You completely missed the point of my response in the context of this thread EdmondDantes_ Aug 2025 #105

It's hardly missing the point and I stand by everything I said and I would moniss Aug 2025 #106

Just forget and look over Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #69

Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #28

Why not? We do it all the time. yardwork Aug 2025 #37

Huh, What? Can you be more specific? I mean, you need to be more specific! Bombing Iraq was obviously wrong, but that Exp Aug 2025 #44

The U.S. killed and tortured millions in Iraq and Afghanistan. yardwork Aug 2025 #50

Are you condemning both genocides? writerJT Aug 2025 #58

I condemn every genocide. yardwork Aug 2025 #60

That is consistent. writerJT Aug 2025 #62

If you're talking about Jewish hypocrisy be sure to include us, too. yardwork Aug 2025 #67

Is this how you approach every issue? writerJT Aug 2025 #79

Yes, I'm on a mission to point out an unfair double standard. yardwork Aug 2025 #86

Selective double standard. writerJT Aug 2025 #87

the WHATABOUTISM is absolutely rampant with I/P Skittles Aug 2025 #112

"Tortured millions".. I don't think so. Exp Aug 2025 #65

Killed and tortured millions. yardwork Aug 2025 #66

Not true. High estimate is just over ONE million dead, low est. is 150k dead. That is not millions. Exp Aug 2025 #70

And it wasn't GENOCIDE as Israel is committing in Gaza and West Bank. Not even close. Exp Aug 2025 #73

"Bomb them back to the Stone Age." yardwork Aug 2025 #76

You've abandoned numbers writerJT Aug 2025 #81

I haven't abandoned anything. yardwork Aug 2025 #82

But writerJT Aug 2025 #85

This post makes no sense to me. yardwork Aug 2025 #89

LOL writerJT Aug 2025 #94

Israel is an apartheid nation based on 20th and 21st century colonialism. Uncle Joe Aug 2025 #38

Media from country with largest military in history of world whines about another countries forces. nt LexVegas Aug 2025 #41

And pretends to be purer than the driven snow. yardwork Aug 2025 #52

Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #42

DURec leftstreet Aug 2025 #57

Patriots like to talk about dying for their country but never about killing for their country. Ping Tung Aug 2025 #63

Heaven knows that nation has never been attacked without justification sarisataka Aug 2025 #74

See post #46 for a very thoughtful and nuanced retort to such oversimplification. AloeVera Aug 2025 #88

I can agree it is more nuanced than most sarisataka Aug 2025 #93

The exact opposite is true. AloeVera Aug 2025 #107

Since you incorrectly assumed my side, everything that follows is not applicable sarisataka Aug 2025 #109

Whoever fights monsters Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #80

I believe that our crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan are being visited against us. yardwork Aug 2025 #83

And that goes both ways. AloeVera Aug 2025 #91

Stealing people's homes because of a book of myths Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #99

Miriam Margolyes was branded antisemitic for saying the same vanessa_ca Aug 2025 #103

I'm glad I don't hear significant legitimate Dem leadership taking this attitude. gulliver Aug 2025 #84

Do you look at the rapidly-expanding Bettie Aug 2025 #100

Yes, I do think radical religion and radical ideology of any kind create problems gulliver Aug 2025 #101

Rec. Xavier Breath Aug 2025 #98

The crybully aspect is notable. David__77 Aug 2025 #108