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Coventina

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Wed Aug 13, 2025, 04:39 PM Aug 2025

Crewman from a WW2 German U-Boat has words we should ponder [View all]

Part of my recent trip to Chicago was visiting their fabulous Museum of Science and Industry.
I had never even heard of it, the Shedd Aquarium and the Field Museum being much more famous.
I was not part of the decision making process on what we would visit (not my circus, not my monkeys! Haha!).
But I have no regrets! The Museum of Science and Industry was fantastic!

The highlight for me, though, was their ACTUAL WW2 U-Boat the U-505, fully intact and lovingly restored to original specs.

It is the ONLY surviving, intact u-boat from the German fleet, as the rest all are rusting in their watery graves.
A unique set of circumstances caused this u-boat to be captured during the war with only one fatality on the German side, and then towed to Bermuda where it was analyzed and helped to win the war for the Allies.

By the way, the crew (minus the one fatality) were taken to a top-secret location in Louisiana for the duration of the war. No information on the capture of the boat or crew was released until after the war. This was a direct violation of Geneva Conventions. The Germans assumed the sub had sunk and notified all the families that their servicemen were most likely dead.

Anyway.....ten years after her capture, she was towed to the Chicago museum where she has been ever since. Touring the inside is an upcharge from the standard museum admission, but well worth it! Nothing has been altered except a large door cut in her side so that tours don't have to enter from the top hatch.

One of the crewmen from the u-boat wrote his autobiography shortly before his death in the late 90s. I bought a copy in the museum gift store because I was so fascinated by the tour.

He tells the painful, unvarnished truth in all matters, only changing some names to protect some other crew members. He felt it was important, even when it cast him in a bad light, that the truth in all things be known.

I thought some of his statements are very pertinent for us now, so I'm quoting him here: Hans Goebeler, crewman of the U-505

"It was at this time a politician appeared who promised to solve our nation's problems; give food and work to the unemployed, regain our lost territory, reestablish safety in the streets, and restore dignity and honor to our people. We would have voted for such a man if his name were Schmidt or Meyer; his name just happened to be Hitler."

Hitler came to power in his young teens, and he enthusiastically joined the Hitler Youth.

"The Hitler Youth's emphasis on patriotism, loyalty, and sacrifice fit in perfectly with the values my father instilled in me. Little did we suspect that these same qualities would compel our nation to follow Hitler over the precipice to disaster."

A little later, he describes the aftermath of their first "kill", a British freighter called the Ben Mohr:

"By 2347 hours, there was nothing left floating on the surface except the lifeboats and a curious assortment of debris. We were so close to our target that we could plainly see the survivors huddled in the boats. We were relieved that no one appeared to be injured. It may seem strange, but despite our countries being traditional enemies, we felt no hatred toward the British seamen. We were fascinated by the awesome destruction we had wrought, but we had no desire to see our brother sailors harmed. In a way, it was like watching an automobile race: one loves to see a good crash, but at the same time hopes that no one gets hurt."

One final paragraph, so not to exceed copyright! This is from a bit later, and they've made several "kills" by now. This one is a Dutch merchant vessel the Alpaca.

"Lowe (the u-boat captain) maneuvered our boat close to the lifeboats to render aid. ***snip*** The survivors had escaped from the sinking ship without casualties, and their lifeboats were well provisioned with supplies. Our skipper's conversation with the survivors, in English and German, was remarkably cordial given the circumstances. The Dutch crew thanked us for our help, and even wished us bon voyage! As we left the area, we pondered the irony of fate that had pitted our country against such a friendly people who spoke our own language."

Dutch, of course, is a Germanic language, as is English.

So why am I posting all this?

1. I think it is a sobering reminder that when someone tells you, "I alone can fix it!" People will fall for it. Even smart, well-intentioned people. However, one critical difference is that Trump cultists now choose to follow him KNOWING his atrocities and evil intentions. For the Germans, once Hitler was in power, he was never removed, until the bitter end.

2. I want to promote history in general and this fascinating, surviving relic in Chicago.

3. The US knowingly and intentionally broke the Geneva Conventions in WW2, when it was in our interests. Did the ends justify the means? I don't have the answer. I'm just glad the decision wasn't mine.

If you've made it this far, thanks for reading!!



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Thank you for this very thoughtful piece. The soldiers and civilians don't want to fight erronis Aug 2025 #1
I want to watch Das Boot now. I've always been scared to watch it. Coventina Aug 2025 #3
Das Boot (The Boat) is a great move, I've seen it a few times... When in Mobile Alabama I took a tour of the mitch96 Aug 2025 #23
I don't know about the American statistics, but the Germans' were horrific! Coventina Aug 2025 #26
On the US boats it was a lot less but still horrific. 52 subs sunk, 3500 officers and crew gone. Percentage wise mitch96 Aug 2025 #60
I've come to the conclusion that there is something truly wrong with our species Coventina Aug 2025 #61
I've come to the conclusion that this was inevitable on account of evolution. soldierant Aug 2025 #63
I think the planet will be fine. It's just a big rock with a hot core spinning around a star we call the sun... mitch96 Aug 2025 #64
I first saw Das Boot in a theatre. Recommend the big screen version. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2025 #59
I viewed the extended version on DVD. John1956PA Sep 2025 #67
Very cool... I've seen it. BTW the U-995 in Germany is in similar condition. WarGamer Aug 2025 #2
Oh cool! I didn't know there was another one. Coventina Aug 2025 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2025 #5
The U-505 is a Type VII/C boat. It's the only one left in the world. Aristus Aug 2025 #40
Thank you so much for your knowledgable clarifications! Coventina Aug 2025 #43
I believe this was the one where the secret German code books were captured ... a real breakthrough for the Allies. eppur_se_muova Aug 2025 #6
Yes, the sub was a treasure-trove of documents, 2 Enigma machines, and just plain sub technology Coventina Aug 2025 #7
Thanks, couldn't remember whether this happened before or after Bletchley Park broke Enigma. Of course ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2025 #10
The Museum of Science and Industry is a great place. Liberal In Texas Aug 2025 #8
We also did the Coal Mine! Coventina Aug 2025 #9
I recall the sub was BidenRocks Aug 2025 #24
The sub is now fully indoors, as is the locomotive and cars. Coventina Aug 2025 #27
Love that museum! WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2025 #11
I didn't make it to the dollhouse, as my husband really wanted to see the cars and the space stuff. Coventina Aug 2025 #12
I love that place, too. murielm99 Aug 2025 #14
That exhibit was awesome... JT45242 Aug 2025 #13
There are four surviving Uboats TnDem Aug 2025 #15
Thanks, please see mine and WarGamer's convo upthread. Coventina Aug 2025 #19
The better story is this... TnDem Aug 2025 #22
Was that before or after they attacked BidenRocks Aug 2025 #25
After Pearl Harbor TnDem Aug 2025 #28
. Coventina Aug 2025 #29
We have a winner! BidenRocks Aug 2025 #50
This happened in June 1942. DinahMoeHum Aug 2025 #30
U-boats sunk several LA Blue Bengal Aug 2025 #37
All that cash was supposed to fund the unit's traveling sabotage Aristus Aug 2025 #44
Their UBoat mate turned them in to the FBI TnDem Aug 2025 #45
I really enjoyed reading this! So interesting! lucca18 Aug 2025 #16
"It was at this time a politician appeared who promised..." CloudWatcher Aug 2025 #17
There were people here then who were well aware that it could happen here. soldierant Aug 2025 #66
I grew up 14 miles from the Museum, and I've been there multiple times. ... aggiesal Aug 2025 #18
Thank you so much for sharing that! I've been visiting the Museum & U-505 since I was a child. Martin Eden Aug 2025 #20
Every year of my schooling Figarosmom Aug 2025 #21
I had summer classes at the Art Institute after 6th & 8th grades Martin Eden Aug 2025 #57
That's a nice post but I think the Geneva Conventions weren't adopted until 1949 four years after WWII ended in 45 Uncle Joe Aug 2025 #31
Thanks for the clarification, Uncle Joe! Blame Hogan's Heroes! Coventina Aug 2025 #33
There were Geneva Conventions before but they were greatly expanded in 49 Uncle Joe Aug 2025 #36
I have a whole theory in my head about the show: Coventina Aug 2025 #41
Excellent post ornotna Aug 2025 #32
Thank you! Coventina Aug 2025 #34
Nice: Thank you for sharing. Chasstev365 Aug 2025 #35
Shedd Aquarium is cool too. Then a boat ride on the lake. Emile Aug 2025 #38
We did a sunset cruise the last evening. Coventina Aug 2025 #42
Sounds like MAGA. dem4decades Aug 2025 #39
Well to add a little history Dan Aug 2025 #46
I'm still only about 1/5 of the way through the book. Coventina Aug 2025 #47
Well I had been following things/history of WWII and before. Dan Aug 2025 #52
Cool! I'll add that to my TBR list!! Coventina Aug 2025 #53
Fascinating. Who was the author of the autobiography? This is a totally new piece of LoisB Aug 2025 #48
His name is Hans Goebeler and the book is: Steel Boat, Iron Hearts Coventina Aug 2025 #49
I am ashamed to admit to complete ignorance of this. Thank you for the lesson. LoisB Aug 2025 #54
No reason to be ashamed! I had no idea about the U-505 until Monday, when we visited. Coventina Aug 2025 #56
Wow, thanks, that's amazing. Dave Bowman Aug 2025 #51
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2025 #55
Thank you BoRaGard Aug 2025 #58
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing it here... I enjoy WW2 history, and there's much which is not widely known. liberalla Aug 2025 #62
Thank you. I enjoyed this post and the resulting thread. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2025 #65
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