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In reply to the discussion: It's Time for Americans to Start Talking About "Soft Secession" [View all]summer_in_TX
(4,001 posts)89. I agree. The talk of blue states seceding I hope is just that.
What I do find interesting is an idea floating around about a "soft secession."
In Deport Republicans: A Practical Guide, The Existential Republic's Chris Armitage says "They want mass deportations? Give them economic deportation. Blue states subsidize red states to the tune of hundreds of billions annually. Time to end it."
Start with federal tax resistance. Not individual but institutional. California's franchise tax board "accidentally" delays federal transfers. New York's banking system develops "technical difficulties" processing federal revenues. Illinois has "compatibility issues" with IRS systems. Make the federal government sue for every dollar.
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We can go so much further than finances.
Texas criminalizes reproductive healthcare? Their medical licenses become void in California. Florida persecutes doctors for treating trans kids? They can't practice in New York. Red state medical schools lose accreditation partnerships. Their residency programs lose access to blue state hospitals.
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The playbook exists. Flood the zone. Pass everything at once. Because we are fighting for actual freedom. Freedom of speech, religion, and due process, bodily autonomy, collective bargaining, and truly so many other things people take for granted.
We can pass laws to protect all the freedoms Republicans hate, all simultaneously. Make them sue to stop each one. While they're in court over healthcare, pass consumer protections. While they challenge that, start the wealth tax. Never stop. Never comply. Just keep governing.
[snip ]
We can go so much further than finances.
Texas criminalizes reproductive healthcare? Their medical licenses become void in California. Florida persecutes doctors for treating trans kids? They can't practice in New York. Red state medical schools lose accreditation partnerships. Their residency programs lose access to blue state hospitals.
[snip ]
The playbook exists. Flood the zone. Pass everything at once. Because we are fighting for actual freedom. Freedom of speech, religion, and due process, bodily autonomy, collective bargaining, and truly so many other things people take for granted.
We can pass laws to protect all the freedoms Republicans hate, all simultaneously. Make them sue to stop each one. While they're in court over healthcare, pass consumer protections. While they challenge that, start the wealth tax. Never stop. Never comply. Just keep governing.
I hope leaders in blue states are seriously thinking about strategies like these.
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Their plans better include creating a state militia beyond federal control. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Aug 2025
#4
This is one of the reasons why I'm more in favor of blue states joining with Canada or any number of European
Karasu
Aug 2025
#9
IF it's a Rethug POTUS in charge & multiple Blue States tried to join with Canada, they would threaten Canada with nukes
Celerity
Aug 2025
#22
Resolved in terms that it VERY likely would be met with kinetic violence by the US Armed Forces.
Celerity
Aug 2025
#41
People say a lot of foolish things, don't they? Sometimes in the heat of the moment & others in wishful thinking....
Hekate
Aug 2025
#40
Other countries around the world are also seceding from our economic and strategic spheres.
Midnight Writer
Aug 2025
#10
China certainly has "issues" but they are very, very long-range planners. In the South Pacific...
Hekate
Aug 2025
#64
I've been paying into social security since 1973 and plan on collecting next year.
kimbutgar
Aug 2025
#14
ive been having this idear in my head that ca , origon and washington . nevada and parts of id
AllaN01Bear
Aug 2025
#24
Exactly. We have a long relationship with Mexico and its people. We have Californians w Spanish names...
Hekate
Aug 2025
#57
For many it is simply blind ignorance. Canadians speak English, right? Ha. They also speak French...
Hekate
Aug 2025
#59
If Florida can declare gold and silver legal tender, Michigan can declare the Canadian dollar legal tender.
roamer65
Aug 2025
#28
Wouldn't be difficult at all to relabel the "United" States to: The "Untied" States!
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
Aug 2025
#48
Yes, yes yes. We must endeavor to make the orange one as an irrelevant as possible.
Magoo48
Aug 2025
#68