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In reply to the discussion: Trumps Flag Burning Ban [View all]

LetMyPeopleVote

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22. Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump wants to prosecute flag burners. The Supreme Court has already said that's illegal
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 09:57 AM
Aug 27

The president said it was a “very sad court” that previously rejected flag-burning prosecutions on First Amendment grounds.



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-flag-burning-prosecute-executive-order-supreme-court-rcna227012

During the Oval Office ceremony, the president lamented that a “very sad court” — “I guess it was a 5-4 decision,” he said — “they called it freedom of speech.”

He appeared to be referring to long-standing Supreme Court precedent on the subject. In a 5-4 decision joined by Scalia, the court said in 1989’s Texas v. Johnson: “If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.”

The court sided with Gregory Lee Johnson, who burned the flag in 1984 in Dallas during the Republican National Convention. The majority recounted that Johnson participated in a political protest called the “Republican War Chest Tour” against the Reagan administration and “certain Dallas-based corporations.” The majority said Johnson was convicted for “expressive conduct” and that he “did not threaten to disturb the peace.” It said the state’s interest in “preserving the flag as a symbol of nationhood and national unity” couldn’t justify his prosecution......

With that background in mind, let’s take a closer look at the new executive order.

While its performative political aspect is clear, a notable legal aspect is the degree to which it acknowledges the limits of Trump’s power in this area. Though the order instructs the attorney general to prioritize law enforcement actions against flag-burning, it caveats these instructions by saying to do so in ways “consistent with the First Amendment” and “to the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution.”

In other words: Do everything you can, except where you can’t. It’s unclear where that leaves any enforcement actions in reality.

So, the order’s legal effect is fairly limited by its own terms, putting aside whatever chilling practical effect it might have on people’s conduct — something that can’t be ignored these days.

By its own terms, trump's latest executive order is subject to the First Amendment. This is simply a stunt by trump that has no real legal effect.

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Trumps Flag Burning Ban [View all] Smackdown2019 Aug 27 OP
Maybe some of those "Don't tread on me" flags need to feel the heat...doesn't Maga like them? wcmagumba Aug 27 #1
I feel like flying one, I'm tired of Trump/GOP treading all over me!!! CaptainTruth Aug 27 #16
I had a bumpersticker of one that read "DON'T TREAD ON MY OBAMA CARE". mobeau69 Aug 27 #24
Hey Trumpkkk, when ya' gonna ban cross burning? LOL RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Aug 27 #2
Why should people not burn the American flag? LearnedHand Aug 27 #3
Because it hurts krasnov's feelings. niyad Aug 27 #15
Seems to be a reason TO do so then LearnedHand Aug 27 #21
Well, of course. But the question seemed to wonder about the reason niyad Aug 27 #23
burn confederate flags and swastika flags if you really want to piss them off eShirl Aug 27 #4
Brilliant idea! InstantGratification Aug 27 #7
👍 Burn the Trump flag surfered Aug 27 #12
His Burning Flags Tour will fail to cover up his and Epstein's partnership Torchlight Aug 27 #5
I love that! "Yes! "Our burning Flag tour is coming your way" "Don't forget your fuel!" chouchou Aug 27 #11
Be aware of "open fire" laws. They will use it. twodogsbarking Aug 27 #6
I think he's looking for a "national emergency" JohnnyRingo Aug 27 #8
Yet another distraction Dave Id Aug 27 #9
evry r presidient, always distraction and coverup. AllaN01Bear Aug 27 #13
During W's torture tenure as president Farmer-Rick Aug 27 #10
theres 1 flag around here that id would like to burn, AllaN01Bear Aug 27 #17
A major problem with the lovely suggestions to burn maga, confederate, nazi, niyad Aug 27 #14
I just saw two for sale on an online estate sale auction. progressoid Aug 27 #25
Don't fly the MAGA flag, fry the MAGA flag. CaptainTruth Aug 27 #18
Another distraction from Epstein, Ice and the Big Ugly Bill. Tribetime Aug 27 #19
Yeah, about that 'burning thing'. OldBaldy1701E Aug 27 #20
Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump wants to prosecute flag burners. The Supreme Court has already said that's illegal LetMyPeopleVote Aug 27 #22
+1 onenote Aug 27 #26
It's just more trump friction. A chimp flinging his poop. Klarkashton Aug 27 #27
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