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Cosmocat

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124. That seems to be the consensus

Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:48 AM

Sep 2025

of some of the actual tactical experts who have commented on it.

That said:

I still tend to believe that is it was someone with some military background because it was so well executed as a live kill and the shooter got out clean at this point. Hard to see how an "average" citizen pulled this off.

At the same time, if it was an "average" citizen, I have a hard time seeing how it is someone "liberal" cause this takes someone who is a gun nut and thinks in the ways needed to plan this out and again make an escape. Just almost seems to have to be a right winger to have this mindset and gun expertise.

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It is peculiar that the shooter escaped. [View all] drray23 Sep 2025 OP

Just a thought..... FarPoint Sep 2025 #1

A trained pro, who unlike the trump would be assassin IMO, had admin backing... brush Sep 2025 #39

Yes professional training. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #2

and an overdose of confusing statements malaise Sep 2025 #5

The shooter also had some good luck because of the incompetence? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #10

His plan theirs malaise Sep 2025 #11

Very good point. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #20

You know bdamomma Sep 2025 #141

The arrest of the person at the scene for obstruction was very stupid Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #26

Yes. Police should have been interviewing all witnesses asap. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #43

Too bad Trump didn't hire him for his fake assassination attempt.. travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #127

It is possible that both events were similarly choreographed. taxi Sep 2025 #138

Or Halfway to Moscow (nt) AZJonnie Sep 2025 #106

Doesn't help that the FBI director and Kirk have identical ideology Eliot Rosewater Sep 2025 #41

Which is hilarious given the FBI director's ethnicity malaise Sep 2025 #119

Perfect setup, with him on a raised platform alone. colorado_ufo Sep 2025 #84

The shooter must have known this in advance? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #116

One more thing . . . colorado_ufo Sep 2025 #142

Looks like he had at least one person running cover for him sboatcar Sep 2025 #96

Seems like maybe just an innocent witness to me Jack Valentino Sep 2025 #98

The obstruction of justice charge after the interview and all that though sboatcar Sep 2025 #101

Do you know the details of the obstruction? Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #115

I don't know sboatcar Sep 2025 #122

Yes the shooter had some training. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #123

Have you any idea how many Utah sportsmen could have made that shot? Bobstandard Sep 2025 #108

The public assassination of a human being is different from shooting a deer. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #114

And 200 yards is still a very long shot Johnny2X2X Sep 2025 #125

Good points. I assume sniper had a wind meter. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #132

Sounds like they may have found the gun Johnny2X2X Sep 2025 #133

Yes, bad mistake if true. An amateur who got lucky. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #135

All very true, thankfully. nt Bobstandard Sep 2025 #130

That seems to be the consensus Cosmocat Sep 2025 #124

Deer hunters- lol! Come on man, this was no weekend warrior. Blues Heron Sep 2025 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #3

Read this SheltieLover Sep 2025 #4

Very interesting Just_Vote_Dem Sep 2025 #6

Could be SheltieLover Sep 2025 #16

My thoughts exactly. strongermessage Sep 2025 #36

One of my thoughts, as well. yellow dahlia Sep 2025 #13

And read this along with it... ancianita Sep 2025 #46

Ty! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #49

Holy hell! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #50

My words exactly! Delphinus Sep 2025 #51

Scary! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #57

Scary to contemplate, but that's the kind of stuff putin type dictators do. ancianita Sep 2025 #54

Post it pls! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #56

Okay... I put it over in GD if you want a look... ancianita Sep 2025 #59

Ty! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #60

Nick LaLota is my congressman Danmel Sep 2025 #58

I'm sorry SheltieLover Sep 2025 #63

It's mortifying Danmel Sep 2025 #77

JFC niyad Sep 2025 #68

Sounds like it could be a paid PatSeg Sep 2025 #62

Sure does! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #65

"a clean get away screams pro to me" -- absolutely! ancianita Sep 2025 #71

Prob already on his way back to russia SheltieLover Sep 2025 #72

LOL ... or FLORIDA! ancianita Sep 2025 #74

Is there a difference? SheltieLover Sep 2025 #75

I hope so. I'm exiled here. ancianita Sep 2025 #78

I'm sorry SheltieLover Sep 2025 #79

Parters in suffering through the historical sickness of the South. ancianita Sep 2025 #83

Stay safe! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #137

200 yards isn't all that difficult with a good rifle and scope.... lastlib Sep 2025 #76

Correct sarisataka Sep 2025 #90

Yeah and with just ONE shot! PatSeg Sep 2025 #136

Right. H2O Man Sep 2025 #64

Yup SheltieLover Sep 2025 #67

I don't rule out a Russian agent True Dough Sep 2025 #73

That is a distinct possibility. roamer65 Sep 2025 #92

So Agent Krasnov the corpulent?? thomski64 Sep 2025 #105

K&R UTUSN Sep 2025 #7

Just Like the 3 Fake Hobos Who Killed JFK MrWowWow Sep 2025 #8

Interesting angle that I had never thought of. yourout Sep 2025 #15

Or... speaking of motive... ancianita Sep 2025 #70

Yes! Very different... and Cha Sep 2025 #9

I just realized... A Sniper? nt Cha Sep 2025 #12

Read this, Cha SheltieLover Sep 2025 #18

I did.. I Rec your other post that Cha Sep 2025 #22

Mahalo, Cha SheltieLover Sep 2025 #27

Was Kirk seen as a threat to Trump in any way? kentuck Sep 2025 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author anciano Sep 2025 #17

There were also hundreds (thousands?) of people to blend into after. Ace Rothstein Sep 2025 #81

Check the roof drains. Xolodno Sep 2025 #111

Yep. Who benefits. jeffreyi Sep 2025 #19

Absolutely! SheltieLover Sep 2025 #29

Patel won't find him. Baitball Blogger Sep 2025 #21

There are cameras all over every college campus Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #31

Fact orangecrush Sep 2025 #69

Maybe he's been told not to find him tinrobot Sep 2025 #89

I'm not surprised BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #23

Patel is on this like white on rice Tribetime Sep 2025 #24

Needles to say, I see what you did there.... erronis Sep 2025 #47

And I wouldn't be surprised if it were a pro-Trump covert op. ananda Sep 2025 #25

Something like martial law? Deuxcents Sep 2025 #34

With a Reichstag Fire energy to it. ananda Sep 2025 #37

This is my number one fear.. Deuxcents Sep 2025 #42

I totally agree. strongermessage Sep 2025 #40

This was a pro Johnny2X2X Sep 2025 #28

Heard the same about Mangione Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #33

He didn't have secret service Puppyjive Sep 2025 #97

Pretty freaking obviously so. marble falls Sep 2025 #30

Indeed. Was he 'unalived' because he was bounding TACO to release Epstein files Bread and Circuses Sep 2025 #32

This is a great thread, no heavy thinking to do, just rec here or there. /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 2025 #35

Unfortunately, that is the case. (I rec'd yours....) erronis Sep 2025 #48

I recc'd your post PJMcK Sep 2025 #128

Someone was thoughtful, careful, and well-prepared Vogon_Glory Sep 2025 #38

It's just like all the sniper movies Tree Lady Sep 2025 #44

One assumes a white man. nt mcar Sep 2025 #45

Non-white in Orem, Utah, he'd have stood out, probably tackled to the ground immediately Ocelot II Sep 2025 #52

That's what I'm thinking too mcar Sep 2025 #53

Take a look at the video of the crowd. mnhtnbb Sep 2025 #85

What's next? Trump orders Martial Law across the nation? Emile Sep 2025 #55

I don't find it too surprising. bluedigger Sep 2025 #61

true, it was not the secret service with an extensive protective net. drray23 Sep 2025 #66

The shooter may have planned everything out, including escape Justice Brandeis Sep 2025 #80

They have a video of a guy double timing it on a nearby roof just after the shooting Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #87

Might or might not be the shooter spinbaby Sep 2025 #117

For sure Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #118

One shot from 200 yards. Iggo Sep 2025 #82

Not a difficult shot sarisataka Sep 2025 #86

Many hunters are capable of doing such a shot Kaleva Sep 2025 #94

Why is it peculiar? sarisataka Sep 2025 #88

Probably a FSB or GRU operation. roamer65 Sep 2025 #91

This guy wasn't a mass shooter Kaleva Sep 2025 #93

Trump's Horst Wessel? N/T tonekat Sep 2025 #95

I've been thinking that all day. Ned Low Sep 2025 #100

Does seem like a professional hit, but what are the motives Beringia Sep 2025 #99

Obviously premeditated iemanja Sep 2025 #102

Well we've got Patel and Bongino at FBI, Blondie at DOJ ToxMarz Sep 2025 #103

Thoughts: ReRe Sep 2025 #104

Not really peculiar when it's a non-politician with his own security. Feel Good Inc Sep 2025 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sep 2025 #109

Was there heavy security present? Kaleva Sep 2025 #110

No there wasn't. Feel Good Inc Sep 2025 #112

My thoughts, too - a sharp shooter likely ex- military. Joinfortmill Sep 2025 #113

It was a professional hit... dlk Sep 2025 #120

My guess is I'll be underwhelmed and unsurprised by who-what-why when they're caught. Torchlight Sep 2025 #121

Oswald shot JFK from a distance of 265 ft. and made a clean getaway, he was only caught after he shot and killed sop Sep 2025 #129

Yes if Oswald had a car exboyfil Sep 2025 #131

Right. For the sake of argument I'm assumimg Oswald was the "lone shooter," and he wasn't "a patsy." sop Sep 2025 #134

He got away because no one was looking for him? pwb Sep 2025 #139

Premeditated??? bdamomma Sep 2025 #140