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Wiz Imp

(10,556 posts)
31. The following is not a great source but some interesting points made nonetheless
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 12:24 AM
Sep 2025

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IS UTAH TRYING TO LOSE THIS CASE?! - UT v Robinson

I just watched Utah Prosecutor Jeff Gray publicly read aloud private text messages, interviews, and alleged confessions during a press conference - BEFORE TRIAL - about UT v. Tyler Robinson (Charlie Kirk Shooting Case)
He even referred to them at the press conference as FACTS. Are you kidding me?

Oversharing inculpatory evidence like this is a HUGE constitutional no-no.

Even the slap on of a vague disclaimer like “we want a fair trial,” the damage is already done.

Also, the statements by Gray of "We will not be speaking to the press during the trial" AFTER READING ACTUAL TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE COURT, is a lame and empty attempt to cover this massive violation of
= due process, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, etc
= the presumption of innocence,
= and the integrity of the entire case.

This is not just an error in strategy, this is potentially a legally destructive action.

We will see motions to:
Suppress tainted jury pools
Request sequestration or gag orders
Move for change of venue
Seek exclusion of evidence due to taint or even
Mistrial!
Ultimately, the defense may assert reversible error on appeal if the court fails to act

It is NOT a subject up to interpretation. There is long standing case law on this.

The Supreme Court in Sheppard v. Maxwell, 384 U.S. 333 (1966) reversed Sheppard’s conviction, ruling 7–2 that he was denied a fair trial due to a failure to shield the proceedings from prejudicial media coverage.

Majority Opinion (Justice Clark):
The Court held that while freedom of the press is essential, it must not override a defendant’s right to a fair trial.

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Robinson. WarGamer Sep 2025 #1
Don't see how who turned him in matters. Seems clear shooter's friend, pastor, maybe parents all helped him give up. Silent Type Sep 2025 #2
Keep in mind I am not saying moniss Sep 2025 #3
Tipster sees the photo, knows it's Tyler AZJonnie Sep 2025 #6
They also put out the story it was moniss Sep 2025 #7
Pastor and Family Friend are mutually exclusive? AZJonnie Sep 2025 #8
Why would the roommate say anything? TommyT139 Sep 2025 #4
You are answering your own question in a sense moniss Sep 2025 #5
Exactly. TommyT139 Sep 2025 #9
they have been able to prevent LyfeTimeDem Sep 2025 #10
Not sure what you are getting at here TommyT139 Sep 2025 #21
no one .....literally no one believes it LyfeTimeDem Sep 2025 #25
just curious Skittles Sep 2025 #26
they dont typically hang out here LyfeTimeDem Sep 2025 #27
I wish I knew some Skittles Sep 2025 #29
Oh, "literally" no one? TommyT139 Sep 2025 #34
oh its going to be like that? LyfeTimeDem Sep 2025 #35
Silly TommyT139 Sep 2025 #37
Yes indeed - it reads very strangely, almost like AI BoRaGard Sep 2025 #11
That was my impression as well. DFW Sep 2025 #14
Remember two investigations, State-Local & then Federal IbogaProject Sep 2025 #36
Lots of suspicion about the transcript, discussed online BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 2025 #12
the texts are listed in the official charging document filed in court Celerity Sep 2025 #13
It doesn't mean the "transcript" moniss Sep 2025 #15
There is an extraordinarily low chance that the prosecutors would file false/tampered evidence with the charging docs. Celerity Sep 2025 #16
Whast have the prosecutors tried filing moniss Sep 2025 #17
Colour me extremely sceptical that they would invent or rewrite these messages in this extraordinarily high profile case Celerity Sep 2025 #18
I too am skeptical, but I'm constantly amazed at the chutzpah (and stupidity) of this administration. harumph Sep 2025 #19
But the Utah state prosecutors are not from the Trump administration. Celerity Sep 2025 #20
I suppose that is right - but interference possible? harumph Sep 2025 #23
There is almost zero chance they would risk blowing the case by putting in fake and/or wilfully altered evidence, Celerity Sep 2025 #24
The following is not a great source but some interesting points made nonetheless Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #31
And the witness' lawyer could immediately refute. TommyT139 Sep 2025 #22
Team Trump want to publicize the relationship with a person who is trans to 1/ Show that Robinson was from the left Doodley Sep 2025 #30
The e-firm will be under orders not moniss Sep 2025 #32
Thanks for posting facts TommyT139 Sep 2025 #38
If the roommate dies in custody or soon after, I will believe the texts are fake. They would have to otherwise threaten Doodley Sep 2025 #28
The roommate is not in custody. TommyT139 Sep 2025 #33
In that case, it seems unlikely the text messages have been faked by the authorities. Doodley Sep 2025 #39
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