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EdmondDantes_

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14. That's a lot more certain of public opinion than I am

Wed Oct 1, 2025, 10:47 AM

Oct 1

But I also don't agree that it falls entirely on Republicans. If both parties only made one offer, then didn't negotiate, that's split responsibility. Not equally split, but we didn't get to the point of this level of distrust just on Republicans. We started filibustering judicial nominations and then when Republicans did it back, killed the filibuster on lower court justices as an example. Likewise just shrugging our shoulders and giving up on a bunch of states so we have a very narrow path to a Senate majority so we (and Republicans in the northeast but because they dominate more states have a much easier path to a Senate majority), just ignore anyone who isn't on our team rather than being willing to work with people who aren't all in on us.

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We just don't have the votes [View all] Pototan Oct 1 OP

Well finally the gop has actually shut down the government. They all must be high. Clouds Passing Oct 1 #1

And place the blame for the shutdown on us Pototan Oct 1 #3

Polls show that the public is blaming republicans not democrats. Bev54 Oct 1 #39

We tried to negotiate. The republicans said no. And then the republicans shut down the government. Iggo Oct 1 #2

It's not a popular opinion because you are telling us to cave. Gee, what a surprise that would be unpopular Blues Heron Oct 1 #4

Eventually, we have to provide the votes Pototan Oct 1 #5

Why? There are enough republicans to pass this Scrivener7 Oct 1 #10

A Fillabuster Pototan Oct 1 #19

So the solution is easy: VMA131Marine Oct 1 #33

Except they want a shut down Pototan Oct 1 #34

The end game is not to increase healthcare payments for millions of Americans, including many republicans. Bev54 Oct 1 #40

And if the Republicans ignore that Pototan Oct 1 #44

And your answer is to just capitulate and then the republicans would continue to push for more and more Bev54 Oct 1 #46

This is not a viable tactic Pototan Oct 1 #47

In your opinion. Bev54 Oct 1 #49

The end game is not to give up Democratic votes for nothing VMA131Marine Oct 1 #43

They are the ones that need the votes. Tbone421 Oct 1 #6

Both sides are short on votes. That's why it requires compromise EdmondDantes_ Oct 1 #9

The republicans own this government. Scrivener7 Oct 1 #11

That's a lot more certain of public opinion than I am EdmondDantes_ Oct 1 #14

Republicans. Own. This. Government. Scrivener7 Oct 1 #18

They. Literally. Do. Not. Because. Of. The. Filibuster. EdmondDantes_ Oct 1 #27

Republicans do not have enough votes even if every one of them vote for it. Groundhawg Oct 1 #29

There are not 60 Republicans in the Senate Kaleva Oct 1 #38

Fuck that. REPUBLICANS entirely own this. W_HAMILTON Oct 1 #26

We offered to negotiate. They said no. They shut down the government. Iggo Oct 1 #17

Yes, it is painful. At some point we have to make a point. adam_vermont Oct 1 #7

I agree with all that Pototan Oct 1 #8

As much as I respect Schumer and Jeffries, we're not winning the propaganda battle... SKKY Oct 1 #12

The media is not pushing the Democratic narrative but the repuke one kimbutgar Oct 1 #37

Pardon my French (or don't) Maru Kitteh Oct 1 #13

Would tend to agree with you dwayneb Oct 1 #15

More is needed quaker bill Oct 1 #16

You've sadly lost the plot. BannonsLiver Oct 1 #20

No thank you. H2O Man Oct 1 #21

I respect your opinion Pototan Oct 1 #22

I think Mr. trump's shitdown will assist Dems in the mid-terms Torchlight Oct 1 #23

Yep, we don't "hold the cards." I'd hold a big press conference announce we are going to vote for extension because Silent Type Oct 1 #24

No thanks, I'll pass on that. Republicans own this shit show It's. All. On. Them. Autumn Oct 1 #25

They're struggling to pass funding. That landslide mandate they keep talking about exist. Walleye Oct 1 #28

So are you saying we will have the votes in 7 weeks? Raven123 Oct 1 #30

No. Maybe we can get the extension Pototan Oct 1 #36

What would be your negotiating strategy? Raven123 Oct 1 #41

Again, we don't have the votes Pototan Oct 1 #45

I'm just afraid that they will intentionally keep the government shut down to let the orange turd do a coup kimbutgar Oct 1 #31

Bombing states intelpug Oct 2 #54

I'm sure there are some magaloon pilots who would obey dear leaders orders ! kimbutgar Oct 2 #60

We won't have "the votes" 7 weeks from now either. Last time we gave up they gave 38+ billion to ICE. Klarkashton Oct 1 #32

I can just hear the braying of "caving" and "spelunking" and "treason" already Hekate Oct 1 #35

When the Republicans held their votes Pototan Oct 1 #48

Democratic Party affiliation is growing.... LyfeTimeDem Oct 1 #42

It's not about anger. It's about ensuring reasonably priced access to health care. Ms. Toad Oct 1 #50

I agree with you entire assessment, except one thing needs to be added. The Democrats must get lostincalifornia Oct 1 #51

From what I've heard so far, their message is stronger than any I've heard recently. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 1 #53

I hope so. lostincalifornia Oct 2 #55

The problem is that when the enhanced subsidies were included in the American Rescue Plan they had an expiration date. MichMan Oct 2 #58

That is not the part I was commenting on. Ms. Toad Oct 2 #62

It is already nearly impossible for D to win elections because of heavy gerrymandering, and with this supreme court in2herbs Oct 1 #52

If you think caving will help our chances to win upcoming elections... regnaD kciN Oct 2 #56

So you are saying edhopper Oct 2 #57

How is shutting down the government going to prevent that Pototan Oct 2 #59

The budget you say the Dems should help pass edhopper Oct 2 #61

I agree with you Rebl2 Oct 2 #63