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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
35. I can just hear the braying of "caving" and "spelunking" and "treason" already
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 01:59 PM
Oct 2025

What the GOP has in abundance that we never have had, is a well-oiled propaganda machine and believers to pass it along.

Make it your business to counter the GOP’s message every day in every way. Everybody who wants a different outcome could do that.

I’ve read that people want Dems to stand tall against MAGAGOP in Congress. Well, they are, and it’s damn painful, isn’t it? I have read this ad nauseam. I get the impression that my fellow DUers hold Schumer and Jeffries in utter contempt for not doing this sufficiently (in their eyes) and now that they are —

Many Dems are getting on the tv-machine to tell our side of it. Notice them! Encourage them! Have their backs! This shutdown, first promulgated by Newt Gingrich (R) is all on the GOP. Don’t say otherwise, and don’t let anyone else say otherwise.

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We just don't have the votes [View all] Pototan Oct 2025 OP
Well finally the gop has actually shut down the government. They all must be high. Clouds Passing Oct 2025 #1
And place the blame for the shutdown on us Pototan Oct 2025 #3
Polls show that the public is blaming republicans not democrats. Bev54 Oct 2025 #39
We tried to negotiate. The republicans said no. And then the republicans shut down the government. Iggo Oct 2025 #2
It's not a popular opinion because you are telling us to cave. Gee, what a surprise that would be unpopular Blues Heron Oct 2025 #4
Eventually, we have to provide the votes Pototan Oct 2025 #5
Why? There are enough republicans to pass this Scrivener7 Oct 2025 #10
A Fillabuster Pototan Oct 2025 #19
So the solution is easy: VMA131Marine Oct 2025 #33
Except they want a shut down Pototan Oct 2025 #34
The end game is not to increase healthcare payments for millions of Americans, including many republicans. Bev54 Oct 2025 #40
And if the Republicans ignore that Pototan Oct 2025 #44
And your answer is to just capitulate and then the republicans would continue to push for more and more Bev54 Oct 2025 #46
This is not a viable tactic Pototan Oct 2025 #47
In your opinion. Bev54 Oct 2025 #49
The end game is not to give up Democratic votes for nothing VMA131Marine Oct 2025 #43
They are the ones that need the votes. Tbone421 Oct 2025 #6
Both sides are short on votes. That's why it requires compromise EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #9
The republicans own this government. Scrivener7 Oct 2025 #11
That's a lot more certain of public opinion than I am EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #14
Republicans. Own. This. Government. Scrivener7 Oct 2025 #18
They. Literally. Do. Not. Because. Of. The. Filibuster. EdmondDantes_ Oct 2025 #27
Republicans do not have enough votes even if every one of them vote for it. Groundhawg Oct 2025 #29
There are not 60 Republicans in the Senate Kaleva Oct 2025 #38
Fuck that. REPUBLICANS entirely own this. W_HAMILTON Oct 2025 #26
We offered to negotiate. They said no. They shut down the government. Iggo Oct 2025 #17
Yes, it is painful. At some point we have to make a point. adam_vermont Oct 2025 #7
I agree with all that Pototan Oct 2025 #8
As much as I respect Schumer and Jeffries, we're not winning the propaganda battle... SKKY Oct 2025 #12
The media is not pushing the Democratic narrative but the repuke one kimbutgar Oct 2025 #37
Pardon my French (or don't) Maru Kitteh Oct 2025 #13
Would tend to agree with you dwayneb Oct 2025 #15
More is needed quaker bill Oct 2025 #16
You've sadly lost the plot. BannonsLiver Oct 2025 #20
No thank you. H2O Man Oct 2025 #21
I respect your opinion Pototan Oct 2025 #22
I think Mr. trump's shitdown will assist Dems in the mid-terms Torchlight Oct 2025 #23
Yep, we don't "hold the cards." I'd hold a big press conference announce we are going to vote for extension because Silent Type Oct 2025 #24
No thanks, I'll pass on that. Republicans own this shit show It's. All. On. Them. Autumn Oct 2025 #25
They're struggling to pass funding. That landslide mandate they keep talking about exist. Walleye Oct 2025 #28
So are you saying we will have the votes in 7 weeks? Raven123 Oct 2025 #30
No. Maybe we can get the extension Pototan Oct 2025 #36
What would be your negotiating strategy? Raven123 Oct 2025 #41
Again, we don't have the votes Pototan Oct 2025 #45
I'm just afraid that they will intentionally keep the government shut down to let the orange turd do a coup kimbutgar Oct 2025 #31
Bombing states intelpug Oct 2025 #54
I'm sure there are some magaloon pilots who would obey dear leaders orders ! kimbutgar Oct 2025 #60
We won't have "the votes" 7 weeks from now either. Last time we gave up they gave 38+ billion to ICE. Klarkashton Oct 2025 #32
I can just hear the braying of "caving" and "spelunking" and "treason" already Hekate Oct 2025 #35
When the Republicans held their votes Pototan Oct 2025 #48
Democratic Party affiliation is growing.... LyfeTimeDem Oct 2025 #42
It's not about anger. It's about ensuring reasonably priced access to health care. Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #50
I agree with you entire assessment, except one thing needs to be added. The Democrats must get lostincalifornia Oct 2025 #51
From what I've heard so far, their message is stronger than any I've heard recently. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #53
I hope so. lostincalifornia Oct 2025 #55
The problem is that when the enhanced subsidies were included in the American Rescue Plan they had an expiration date. MichMan Oct 2025 #58
That is not the part I was commenting on. Ms. Toad Oct 2025 #62
It is already nearly impossible for D to win elections because of heavy gerrymandering, and with this supreme court in2herbs Oct 2025 #52
If you think caving will help our chances to win upcoming elections... regnaD kciN Oct 2025 #56
So you are saying edhopper Oct 2025 #57
How is shutting down the government going to prevent that Pototan Oct 2025 #59
The budget you say the Dems should help pass edhopper Oct 2025 #61
I agree with you Rebl2 Oct 2025 #63
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