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In reply to the discussion: So the firefighter shooter was using a Bushmaster .223 [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)25. for pete's sake. WTF?????
I'm calling it now, this guy bought every weapon via private transactions.
i see that, and raise you that it was his sister who he hated, but lived with, AND burned up in the house that HELPED him!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haV0q9KW1gKvnD3W4sk-yxAVf_ew?docId=545f47cd49d7490495c87869825d9ee9
Man who killed 2 firemen left note on killing plan
By By GEORGE WALSH, Associated Press 24 minutes ago
WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) The ex-con who lured firefighters to their deaths in a blaze of gunfire left a typewritten note saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people," police said Tuesday.
Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday that 62-year-old William Spengler, who served 17 years in prison for the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother, armed himself with a revolver, a shotgun and a semiautomatic rifle before he set his house afire to lure first responders into a death trap before dawn on Christmas Eve.
Two firefighters were shot dead and two others are hospitalized. Spengler killed himself as seven houses burned around him Monday on a narrow spit of land along Lake Ontario.
One of the weapons recovered was a .233-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber gun used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., Pickering said.
The chief said police believe the firefighters were hit with shots from the rifle given the distance but the investigation was incomplete.
The two- to three-page typewritten note left by Spengler didn't give a motive for the shootings, Pickering said. He declined to divulge the note's full content or say where it was found, but read one line from it: "I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down, and do what I like doing best, killing people."
Pickering said authorities were still looking for Spengler's 67-year-old sister, Cheryl Spengler, who lived in the house with him. Their mother, Arline, also lived there until she died in October.
i see that, and raise you that it was his sister who he hated, but lived with, AND burned up in the house that HELPED him!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haV0q9KW1gKvnD3W4sk-yxAVf_ew?docId=545f47cd49d7490495c87869825d9ee9
Man who killed 2 firemen left note on killing plan
By By GEORGE WALSH, Associated Press 24 minutes ago
WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) The ex-con who lured firefighters to their deaths in a blaze of gunfire left a typewritten note saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people," police said Tuesday.
Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday that 62-year-old William Spengler, who served 17 years in prison for the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother, armed himself with a revolver, a shotgun and a semiautomatic rifle before he set his house afire to lure first responders into a death trap before dawn on Christmas Eve.
Two firefighters were shot dead and two others are hospitalized. Spengler killed himself as seven houses burned around him Monday on a narrow spit of land along Lake Ontario.
One of the weapons recovered was a .233-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber gun used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., Pickering said.
The chief said police believe the firefighters were hit with shots from the rifle given the distance but the investigation was incomplete.
The two- to three-page typewritten note left by Spengler didn't give a motive for the shootings, Pickering said. He declined to divulge the note's full content or say where it was found, but read one line from it: "I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down, and do what I like doing best, killing people."
Pickering said authorities were still looking for Spengler's 67-year-old sister, Cheryl Spengler, who lived in the house with him. Their mother, Arline, also lived there until she died in October.
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Yes - Do We See A Pattern Now - Just Waiting For All The NRA Apologist Excuses
cantbeserious
Dec 2012
#2
If you require all private transactions to have a background check and go through an FFL dealer
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#41
Reading what the hidden posts were, I'd say yes. Insulting perhaps, but believable? yes.
uppityperson
Dec 2012
#122
he wasn't supposed to have weapons but just waiting to hear how he got them. Taking bets here...
wordpix
Dec 2012
#79
Anything can be claimed if a private citizen uses the internet to run the check.
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#10
Well the seller has no incentive to do a background check. The FFL dealer does.
Logical
Dec 2012
#103
They do if you institute significant criminal penalties for not doing so...
Lizzie Poppet
Dec 2012
#148
There has been calls for a federally mandated closure of the gun sho loophole for the past decade
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#43
They can introduce a bill that says "you have to annoy people on the internet everyday for no
kwassa
Dec 2012
#114
Do I really have to point out all the posts calling for a ban and confiscation?
hack89
Dec 2012
#142
Can't they hold back federal funds for states that do not comply? Like they do for drinking age, etc
Logical
Dec 2012
#89
To fix the background check issue. This should not even make the NRA mad really.
Logical
Dec 2012
#104
jump to this- and what difference does it make where he bought anythin? that isn't THE SUBJECT HERE
farminator3000
Dec 2012
#58
Yeah, he didn't really mean to kill his grandma when he beat her repeatedly with a hammer.
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#19
So rather than regulate semi auto weapons, just have mandatory life sentences for all crimes?
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#24
No, only for heinous crimes like beating one's grandmother to death with a hammer
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#39
I believe that in New York premeditated murder with a weapon enhancement can result in a life...
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#40
If he had shot his grandmother rather than beating her to death, he might still be in prison
slackmaster
Dec 2012
#31
I'm ignorant of the "gun show loophole"... We have gun shows here often...
MrMickeysMom
Dec 2012
#47
In most gun shows, there is no requirement for a background check prior to selling a gun. n/t
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#55
Which is why tons of "private owners" put their arsenals on display at gun shows
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#66
so we are just supposed to believe what you type? weird, i found those words on the internets
farminator3000
Dec 2012
#76
I don't mind the FOPA. I think a 100% background check would be good though.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Dec 2012
#121
Only way to let go of the Hughes amendment is to require federal registration.
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#123
Not suggesting anything, but see here: (you can sell them at garage sales)
The Straight Story
Dec 2012
#68
wow, paranoia and willful ignorance of what gun control advocates are asking for....
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#83
Ignorant of what they are asking for? Yes...WHAT are they asking for?
The Straight Story
Dec 2012
#119
Your "buddy" robs a liquor store, gets caught, gives you up, you go to jail.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#105
There is no "gunshow loophole"- it is a private sales loophole. We need to fix it.
Cronkite
Dec 2012
#98
It is called a gun show loophole because all disqualified individuals know
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#109