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PoindexterOglethorpe

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Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:51 AM Oct 2025

"The Fourth Turning" by William Strauss and Neil Howe. [View all]

Everyone should read it. The book carefully explains the cycles of history.Essentially we are currently in the part of the cycle they call the Fourth Turning, where everything goes to hell and then everything is resolved more or less and we then start a brand new cycle. The last fourth turning was 1929-1945, the Great Depression and WWII. Things were awful, then the good guys won and we entered the 1950s, the baby boom, and so on.

Right now, according to Strauss and Howe, we are at the beginning of a new fourth turning, and at present we have no way of knowing how it will all end. or who will win. Because of this book, I take the long view: Yes, things are bad now but they will get better eventually.

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Read that a few years ago. Not a fan of the premise...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2025 #1
the writers seem EXCITED about possibilities... ret5hd Oct 2025 #3
Yes, much loved by neo-nazi christian dominionist accelerationists. Main psychosocial history on FReak site. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #7
And there are the Christians who want to witness PatSeg Oct 2025 #18
9/11 caused the fourth turning MaineBlueBear Oct 2025 #2
That was probably part of the 3rd turning Renew Deal Oct 2025 #25
My thinking is it will take a generation to settle. cachukis Oct 2025 #4
Exactly. It takes longer for things to settle PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #8
I believe Steve Bannon is a big believer in this. underpants Oct 2025 #5
It's a thought provoking hypothesis but not especially fact based Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #6
They also quote dozens of PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #9
Keeping the long view in the background allows me to maintain my sanity. ariadne0614 Oct 2025 #10
Thanks for that suggestion. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #12
I hope it's as interesting to you as it was to me. ariadne0614 Oct 2025 #14
Sounds a lot like the crap spouted by the Temple Mount Faithful. pecosbob Oct 2025 #11
I have nelver heard of the Temple Mount Faithful. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #13
Leaping to conclusions is so much easier. n/t ariadne0614 Oct 2025 #15
It's good and it explains historical cycles Renew Deal Oct 2025 #16
What Gen Z riots? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2025 #21
Gen z riots kcoates Oct 2025 #22
Correct Renew Deal Oct 2025 #23
Our mantra in our household has been doom/gloom since Jan GusBob Oct 2025 #17
Thanks. I'll get it. Scrivener7 Oct 2025 #19
"Essentially things will get a whole lot worse before they get better, and a lot of things will change." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2025 #20
the other part of it is the consistent 80 year cycle Renew Deal Oct 2025 #24
Reconstruction comes after destruction? Do tell. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2025 #29
What happened in Europe after WW2? Renew Deal Oct 2025 #30
I'm saying a person doesn't need pseudo science to figure that out. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2025 #31
They buried 80 million dead people leftstreet Oct 2025 #33
It's long and complicated, what happened PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #34
You assume too much Renew Deal Oct 2025 #37
I'm not assuming anything. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #40
Semi-related albeit through a technical lens: TheProle Oct 2025 #26
Sustainable capitalism biophile Oct 2025 #32
I'm near certain that I'll be dead ZDU Oct 2025 #27
Nuclear Annihilation? yankee87 Oct 2025 #28
Oh my gosh, my vision disability interpreted the word turning to be tuning quite a different kettle of fish msfiddlestix Oct 2025 #35
I think Steve Bannon is fan of that book AZProgressive Oct 2025 #36
So is Newt Gingrich. thought crime Oct 2025 #38
It's pop history. It passes as intellectualism in an anti-intellectual movement. thought crime Oct 2025 #39
Something about a widening gyre? Orrex Oct 2025 #41
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